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dd74 10-09-2006 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by pwd72s
Not by much...it's the math of the tire dia., and the gears. Not so much aerodynamics, though sans tail, things get VERY twitchy at those speeds. I will confess, thanks to the statute of limitations, of having seen my car's speedo indicate past 150...but I'm thinking it was more like 145. I was on the rev limiter, 5th gear, at the time. This was long, long ago...back when I was young, dumb, and full of "stuff".
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I haven't found a road long enough for 130 mph, let alone 150. And would I want to do it? I'm not so sure...

dd74 10-09-2006 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by JeremyD
Just because 165 shows on the speedo does not mean you are going 165...
"Yes, officer. That's what I said. This car can't even go that fast." :D

masraum 10-09-2006 08:05 PM

I can tell you that my old '88 would redline 5th which according to the numbers is about 150. I did it once when the engine was at around 125k miles. Stock the engine should have had ~215hp. My '88 should have been less aerodynamic than an early car due to the bellows bumpers and rear flares. I think that car would need 275-300 hp to get to that speed, but if the engine is very, hotrodded then that's possible.

If the engine is not stock and that hot then this guy should say so since that would be a selling point.

pwd72s 10-09-2006 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by dd74
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I haven't found a road long enough for 130 mph, let alone 150. And would I want to do it? I'm not so sure...
Head North out of Reno...once past Susanville, CA, head for a little place called Adin, wait for a stretch of road running slightly downhill that looks like a straight line to the horizon...back around 1975 it was traffic free...one of those "see another car in 20 minutes" type roads. Would you want to do it? I don't recommend it. These days I don't go above 95...get a ticket for over 95 in a 55, or over 100 anywhere in Oregon? Automatic license suspension & over $1,000 in fines.

GIBSON 10-09-2006 08:18 PM

FWIW, my '73 came with chrome grills and the driving lights, all of the cars without the driving lights did have black grills. I've not seen a set of factory black grills that had the provision for the
through-the-grill lights. Has anyone else seen them??
My guess is that the oil-cooler was added, I've had a couple of 73S cars with Behr air and no front cooler. But it should have been a trombone cooler if it was original...

sithot 10-09-2006 08:33 PM

I see the problem. Tire size. He could have an error of 4-6% in the speedometer.
Aerodynamics are the main reason it ain't going to happen. There is a calculation that will prove what is needed under the hood to overcome drag. It's a moot point for now.

Tom

pwd72s 10-09-2006 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by GIBSON
FWIW, my '73 came with chrome grills and the driving lights, all of the cars without the driving lights did have black grills. I've not seen a set of factory black grills that had the provision for the
through-the-grill lights. Has anyone else seen them??
My guess is that the oil-cooler was added, I've had a couple of 73S cars with Behr air and no front cooler. But it should have been a trombone cooler if it was original...

This, I agree with...to a point. 100% agree on the cooler. For cars ordered with the optional fog lights, they did use the cut down metal chrome grills in '73...at least early in the run. According to Eric Linden, who may wish to clarify more, after the chrome grilles ran out, they did use plastic...
when the switch was made, I don't recall. I'm not even sure if this applies to production line cars, or merely the fog light kits sold at dealerships at the time. These kits contained wiring harness, grilles, switch, etc. But Eric would know...evidently, there is a trick to seeing whether a plastic fog light grille is from a factory fog light kit, or one cut down for fogs...

But this seller? Execmalibu? A WHOLE lot of BS'n and lamp post peeing going on... I'd like to see him try to prove some of his statements regarding the performance of this car.

75Carrera 10-09-2006 09:26 PM

"But this seller? Execmalibu? A WHOLE lot of BS'n and lamp post peeing going on... I'd like to see him try to prove some of his statements regarding the performance of this car"


The Ebay ad was brought to our attention because of the "hard to believe" manner in which this seller promoted the car. Beyond that who cares? Albeit sorta fun to pick the claims apart it's really not serious is it?

pwd72s 10-09-2006 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by 75Carrera
"But this seller? Execmalibu? A WHOLE lot of BS'n and lamp post peeing going on... I'd like to see him try to prove some of his statements regarding the performance of this car"


The Ebay ad was brought to our attention because of the "hard to believe" manner in which this seller promoted the car. Beyond that who cares? Albeit sorta fun to pick the claims apart it's really not serious is it?

You nailed it! I'm finding this thread to be a lot of fun, and the ebay ad is hysterically funny! :D

lateapex911 10-09-2006 11:06 PM

Funny? That price is no laughing matter. The guy is clearly not shooting straight, but the money doesn't seem to care.....

sus911 10-09-2006 11:37 PM

Well, he's ebay 98 percent honest

skinnerd 10-09-2006 11:51 PM

My RS replica in the day, weighed a couple hundred pounds less than his car (~2150) and had a stout 2.7 RS spec MFI motor making ~235-240 hp. It could only do about 150-155 mph....

Seems farfetched...
So I say BS too.
0-60 was low 5's, so maybe I could smoke a 930 until it got rolling?
Stock 2.4S will never get to 165; I don't care how good that stuff you're smokin' is!

I agree, sometimes the verbage in these eBay ads is their worst enemy.
The type of people that would be impressed by or even believe these outlandish claims would never buy.
And the potential educated buyers, are put off or at least put on guard by this type of wordplay.
:rolleyes:

jacko241 10-10-2006 04:00 AM

My RSR style race car, granted with superwide body, has by race car standards a mild 3.0 putting out about 270hp. I know fairly precisely by the gearchart and tire diameter what the top speed is. At Daytona, I can only pull about 6300 rpm in top gear, which equates to just a whisker over 150mph. It is definitely aerodynamically limited, but that lil Targa would have to be making over 300hp to reach that speed.
Skinnerd, your numbers seem spot on.

berettafan 10-10-2006 05:00 AM

it's depressing to me that i've spent enough time on both boards (this & earlyS) to understand and appreciate where many of the posters are coming from. many, many years of longhood experience are represented in this thread.

btw, this auction should be making everybody that passed on Bobby Smith's silver/red targa absolutely ill!

JeremyD 10-10-2006 05:22 AM

I think it's healthy. If you place an ad on ebay for a Porsche 911 - you will be open to criticism. Bring your a-game, bring a thick skin. Be able to back your claims. Sort of an ebay net nanny.

I personally love the color.
http://i4.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/8c/1b/02_12.JPG
but loose the rubber bumpers, they look like boobies.

Love the seats -
http://i21.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/86/4d/30_12.JPG
but man the carpet looks dirty and worn

Door sills look good -
http://i11.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/89/7b/f5_12.JPG
but where is the under pan shots (which should be a requirement of any early car ad)

No dash crack - which means to me it has been well taken care of (or replaced)
http://i21.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/86/4d/99_12.JPG

Some of the best looking door pockets I have seen in a long time on an early car
http://i21.ebayimg.com/04/i/08/86/4d/bc_12.JPG

There are many posters on this thread that have more knowledge on early cars than you can shake a stick at - and I would defer judgement to them, or those that have actually touched, driven, or know the car.

berettafan 10-10-2006 05:37 AM

i don't think they look at all like boobies. and i am a BIG fan of boobies!

sithot 10-10-2006 05:48 AM

The answer is...http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1160488107.jpg

:D

Tom

cegerer 10-10-2006 05:56 AM

Looks like one of those vintage orange Gulf styrofoam balls on the antenna they used to give away at the Gulf gas stations in the 70's! That's cool at any speed ..... :cool:

skinnerd 10-10-2006 07:23 AM

Obviously real "S" cars are selling well on eBay.
Here's another sitting at $44k.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160037206013&sspagenam e=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AUS%3A112&id=
The early cars continue to shine.

Maybe if I converted my 73E from RS replica w/ all the race goodies back to stock.....http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/loki16.gif



Nah!http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/lol2.gif

Mr9146 10-10-2006 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by cegerer
Looks like one of those vintage orange Gulf styrofoam balls on the antenna they used to give away at the Gulf gas stations in the 70's! That's cool at any speed ..... :cool:
Unocal 76 did that for some time in the 90s ... we've got one on every car and spares in my family. :D


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