Dems take House and/or Senate?

[lendaddy]

Do you think the Dems will take the House/Senate or both in four weeks?

I say neither, as there is no reason to vote for a Dem except as a vote against a Republican and that will only fire up the base not the middle. The Dems have not even put forward an anti-war stance for people to gravitate toward. They have 100% banked on negative reaction to Republicans (at least as a national party). This might work, and I suppose it's possible but it's never worked before.

I don't even hear the left in here singing the praises of the Dems, only pissing and moaning about the Right. There is no cohesive theme and no leader of the party and this is not a good sign for them.

"I'm going to vote Dem this November because they're gonna............"

I got nothin' for ya there and neither will the average voter.


We'll see in Nov.but my 'capping kung-fu has been pretty strong lately

Now accepting interesting wagers........

[Moneyguy1]

I really do not know. But, when I hear some Republicans saying they "want to get their message out" I ask myself "What message?" Granted, the Dems haven't been very cohesive in their proposals either. As an Independent, I firmly believe that at least one element of Government should be in the hands of the opposition, just to keep things honest. It tends to slow things down, results in more dialogue, and prevents some unwanted truly partisan things from being rammed through. Neither party has the lock on moral values, but the Republicans have done a far better job convincing the religious elements that this is the case. In addition, I do not feel safer today than in the recent past, and I see the world as a far more dangerous place in part because our leaders will not speak mano a mano with those they do not like.

The needs of the people should come before the needs of any party. Anyone who votes a straight party line, in my opinion is an individual who is either incapable of thinking for themselves or someone who has an agenda that does not necessarily reflect that of the nation.
There are some good people on both sides of the aisle. I do not wish to see the countryunder the long term rule of either party, lest we wind up like Germany in the 30s.

len...party loyalty should go the way of company loyalty, a subject that has been debated here as well. Loyalty to the nation should come before the petty needs of a political organization. Unfortunately, this is not the case and people will continue to vote because "What was good enough fer ma daddy and his daddy is good enuff fer me."

How sad and short sighted.

[Jeff Higgins]

I think you are right; the Dems will not win either. Their only platform is "we are not Republicans". Much like our own little microcosm here on PPOT, they excell at whining about everything they see as wrong, but fall absolutely flat in offering viable solutions.

Their dissingenius "ace in the hole" (Foley) was played too early and is already eliciting the reaction it deserved in the first place - widespread yawning. And many, now that the dust is settling around that little issue, are looking at the hypocritical role played in it by Democratic leaders. On the one hand they endorse the homosexual lifestyle (which unfortunately for many of its practitioners includes little boys) and feign rightous indignation when a Republican is caught living it. Also, when the shouting quieted down a little, everyone realized Foley never even touched the kid. Never the less, he was reviled by a party that had very recently defended its leader, who certainly did touch his victim.

So they have nothing. No platform. Their election season "home run" turned into double play, and their side is out. Folks are tired of the negativism they exhibit. I think they actually might want to hear some policy discussion. Unfortunately, for the Dems, they appear to be wholey incapable of participating in one.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1

len...party loyalty should go the way of company loyalty, a subject that has been debated here as well. Loyalty to the nation should come before the petty needs of a political organization. Unfortunately, this is not the case and people will continue to vote because "What was good enough fer ma daddy and his daddy is good enuff fer me."

How sad and short sighted.

The Dems(politicians) I know of share virtually none of the same ideals and principals I do, why would I ever vote for them? It's a matter of philosophy and I don't view being honest to your inner philosophy a negative trait.

I will add that my party has failed me in their adherence to the platform, but voting in the opposite makes zero sense to me.

[Moneyguy1]

JEff. Much of what you say is true. Sadly, though, unbridled optimism is just as bad for the country as negativism. For a change, truth would be nice..........

[Moneyguy1]

len..

Follow your beliefs. Just make certain your beliefs are truly your beliefs. More and more I see individual opportunities for choice being eroded. I do not see cohesion on the part of the Republicans any more than I do from the Democrats. I tend to choose an individual to vote for by how willing he or she is to compromise rather than "My way or the highway". What does that mean? I do not like to see a politician that wishes to dictate moral superiority to me or to anyone else. I do not like politicians who say "Trust me, I know what is best for you." I would rather see some disunity in the approach than I would a lockstep attitude. This country was built by people who did not always see eye to eye but understood that co-operation and compromise were a necessary part of a republic form of government. One party rule over time eliminates this exchange and risks a more dictatorial form of government.

But, if that is what the people want.......

You say your party has failed you. More accurately, your party has failed in its responsibility to the country. To vote for them simply to continue the current course is, to quote Mr. Spock: "Highly Illogical". To change and vote for the opposition just to get rid of the rascals would be just as bad. That is why I pick and choose. To me, party is irrelevant.

[Nathans_Dad]

The problem the Democrats have is that their positions are simply not in line with what a majority of Americans want and/or believe. Now, the Democrats will say that is simply because a majority of Americans are stupid hicks who don't have no schoolin', and that may be true...but they still get a vote.

So the Dems only hope is to attack the status quo and say they are for "change". Something nebulous so they don't have to actually admit they are for larger government, higher taxes, gay marriage, gun control, etc., etc., etc.

If an election were actually ever about the issues and where the candidates stand on those issues, the Dems would have a whole lot of trouble winning.

[red-beard]

The last time I voted _for_ someone was in 1984. Since that time I have consistently voted _against_ someone.

I do not see this changing anytime soon.

Democrats - We'll fix the country. (How?) We're not telling until you elect us. Pig in a poke.

Repubs - Yes we over spent, but we won't spend as much as the Democrats. Great.

Usually it's better the devil you know than the devil you don't...

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
The problem the Democrats have is that their positions are simply not in line with what a majority of Americans want and/or believe. Now, the Democrats will say that is simply because a majority of Americans are stupid hicks who don't have no schoolin', and that may be true...but they still get a vote.

So the Dems only hope is to attack the status quo and say they are for "change". Something nebulous so they don't have to actually admit they are for larger government, higher taxes, gay marriage, gun control, etc., etc., etc.

If an election were actually ever about the issues and where the candidates stand on those issues, the Dems would have a whole lot of trouble winning.

In the last 6 years, the Repubs have shown themselves as greedy, manipulative, dishonest opportunists. Spending like drunken sailors, mortgaging our children's future, trotting out the "social issues" only for elections, then going back to making fools of those that voted for them.

Indeed, with that track record, only a fool would continue to trust them on anything.

Yet you swallow, hook, line and sinker, their dishonest characterization of the opposition. Which can only have the intended effect of keeping them in power, so they can continue raiding the treasury while they laugh at the gullibility of "the base."

Amazing.

This board teaches me something every day.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Rodeo
In the last 6 years, the Repubs have shown themselves as greedy, manipulative, dishonest opportunists. Spending like drunken sailors, mortgaging our children's future, trotting out the "social issues" only for elections, then going back to making fools of those that voted for them.

Indeed, with that track record, only a fool would continue to trust them on anything.

Yet you swallow, hook, line and sinker, their dishonest characterization of the opposition. Which can only have the intended effect of keeping them in power, so they can continue raiding the treasury while they laugh at the gullibility of "the base."

Amazing.

This board teaches me something every day.

Was there a reason to vote...FOR a dem rather than against a Rep in there?

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally posted by Rodeo
In the last 6 years, the Repubs have shown themselves as greedy, manipulative, dishonest opportunists. Spending like drunken sailors, mortgaging our children's future, trotting out the "social issues" only for elections, then going back to making fools of those that voted for them.

Indeed, with that track record, only a fool would continue to trust them on anything.

Yet you swallow, hook, line and sinker, their dishonest characterization of the opposition. Which can only have the intended effect of keeping them in power, so they can continue raiding the treasury while they laugh at the gullibility of "the base."

Amazing.

This board teaches me something every day.

See? Point proven.

[Rodeo]

You still don't get it ... I'm not a fan of the Democratic Party. The best we can do is to rotate these guys, get them out before they get too entrenched and greedy and power-hungry. That's the drill, it's not about one party or another. They minute you buy that you fall right into their trap.

The bastards on the Hill were trading 16 year olds for continued power! Isn't that enough for you?

We need change, and we need oversight of this Repub administration.

Reasons enough for me.

[Rodeo]

The above post was for daddy.

For Rick, keep fighting your stupid partisan wars. Your benefactors will keep playing you like a fiddle.

They have gay staffers up there writing anti-gay, pro-family speeches for guys like you ... and you lap it up.

How sad.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Rodeo
fall right into their trap.

The bastards on the Hill were trading 16 year olds for continued power! Isn't that enough for you?

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Good ole level headed Rodeo.

I will not vote for someone that professes the opposite of my philosophical beliefs.......not gonna do it.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
[B]The problem the Democrats have is that their positions are simply not in line with what a majority of Americans want and/or believe.

Just curious. Is this what you want to believe, or is this because you disagree with the democrats and you think the country agrees with you, or is this regional, based on where you live, only some people you know agree with you and not with the democrats? Where do you get your facts here?

Now, the Democrats will say that is simply because a majority of Americans are stupid hicks who don't have no schoolin', and that may be true...but they still get a vote.

These stupid people vote for whom?

So the Dems only hope is to attack the status quo and say they are for "change". Something nebulous so they don't have to actually admit they are for larger government, higher taxes, gay marriage, gun control, etc., etc., etc.

Sounds scarily like the republicans, with the exception of lower taxes/spend more than the democrats and borrow the difference from China. Oh, and the Republicans lie about it, because they don't admit things like they're for bigger government. They just bloat it and bloat it and bloat it and then tell you they aren't for it.

If an election were actually ever about the issues and where the candidates stand on those issues, the Dems would have a whole lot of trouble winning.

See, this is where you have lost your thinking audience. If you really lived this, you wouldnt' categorize all democrats and republicans in their neat little boxes. You would look at the issues and experience and make your decision on each, and live the statement you just quoted above. And you'd know each would have a whole lot of trouble winning.



Now for me, we need to get some damn libertarians since generally speaking, based on actions over the last 20 years, both parties act the same. There's no discernable difference between democrats and republicans except the buzz-trivial emotional-driven issues of things like gay marriage.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Good ole level headed Rodeo.

I will not vote for someone that professes the opposite of my philosophical beliefs.......not gonna do it.

The problem is, you learn the supposed "philosophical beliefs" of the Dems from the Repubs ... you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer daddy, but you should be sharp enough to understand that the Repubs will say or do anything to stay in power. Yet you take their word on the Dems "philosophical beliefs."

They are all liars ... including your precious Republicans.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Rodeo
The problem is, you learn the supposed "philosophical beliefs" of the Dems from the Repubs ... you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer daddy, but you should be sharp enough to understand that the Repubs will say or do anything to stay in power. Yet you take their word on the Dems "philosophical beliefs."

They are all liars ... including your precious Republicans.

Is this where I say I'm sharper than you or should I just call you a name?

I know the core beliefs of each party, sure they both stray from them but I know what direction they will steer the ship as a group.

[lendaddy]

Oh and feel free to educate me on my misguided views of dem party beliefs.

[Rodeo]

The "core belief" of both parties is getting and holding power.

When you grasp that, we'll go on to the next lesson.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Rodeo
The "core belief" of both parties is getting and holding power.

When you grasp that, we'll go on to the next lesson.

That is seriously your response? You're becomming a waste of my time.