The object of the post is HOW to get the man to think about needing a bit of help, and not about just leaving things the way they are.

U mean the punk ****** Metro Boyz U hang with....The Girly Men...

The Liberal Rob the "meathead" Reiner type of "I know best" mentality. The ones who are so Ain't Gun that they object to kids on the playground using their fingers as six shooters. Playing tag is to rough for em, and dare say all they know about the car they drive is that they stick the key in the puss....ah I mean ignition.

And when they are leaving I wonder if they are waving goodbye or just trying to get their nails to dry.

I think that will be rather difficult. For a strong individual from that generation to accept he needs help before he himself realizes it. He probably feels the gains does not out weight the loss in terms of dignity and integrity. Alas.

That does not imply one should not try if one feels the gains out weight the losses. Its a complex, multi factorial matter.

What does he need ? What makes him happy ? What is he willing to scarifies ?

This is a topic where Internet advice are very difficult to give IMO.

Your funny Livi...

The man has learned self reliance, "well this mornining I've got to take out the motor from that truck." He doesn't think about it, he jsut does...So a little realization is in order and what better way than for him to remember a time when he had to depend on his buddies for survival.

Please recognize my language disability.

funny as in strange/peculiar or,
funny as in make you laugh ?

STRANGE..as in not making sense, or more to the point..not adding anything usefull that could affect change. Thats what the Thread is about...How to affect a bit of change..

Thanks for the rewrite. :p

Thanks for making me realize that, tabs. I am sorry if I have offended Moses and/or wasted bandwidth by posting my honest thoughts on a difficult dilemma. And thanks for helping me figure out something else that has had me bewildered for a while.

Moses, please ignore my posts, they obviously don´t apply.

Ohhh Markus stop sulking or we will begin to think that U are really one of those punk ****** Metro Boyz, that DeeDee likes to hang with

Yeah? And who is this ass-angler again?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1117667808.jpg
Jeez, Tabs. Will hypocrisies never cease?

Come on, Tabby. Where's the kinder, gentler Tabdulah?

You and Markus are both high on my list of people I'd like to share a beer with. In fact, Markus' tale about the fellow who cut off his fingers describes my father pretty well. You have both made good points, but from different perspectives. So play nice! (Oh, crap...did I sound like Cool Chick?) :D

Your dad is badass! My dad's cool too, but he prefers having me do the hard labor while he instructs (lit cigarette in hand mind you). ;-)

In all seriousness, that is awesome Moses, you should be proud.

Just tell him. He'll scoff, but eventually he'll get the point. My dad is like your's but he's 90 now, and he knew when he had to cool it, sometime around 85-86. Gave me his 944 at 89, when he knew he'd had enough :)

These guys have a completly different frame of reference than you or I, and there is absolutely no way we'll "get it" fully. OTOH, they did what they did for their kids, and they will respond, just not immediately nor will they acknowledge why.

You know Moses, I've always read your posts with admiration and respect but for some reason, never responded.

This one touched me.

I can relate. Your description of your father is my grandfather to a tee. He was in the war as a medic but would never tell me any details. Whenever I asked him about it, he just told me it was in the past. If I pressed him on it, he said he had seen bad things and seen men do bad things to others.

He kicked my ass physically when my dad was teaching me about nonviolent resistence. He drove a taxi in NY whenever he didn't have other work. He taught my dad, who taught me to work on cars and realize that if some one's hands had made it, ours could fix it.

He was a man who at 75 would come to visit my mother and me and decide our house was in need of paint. Next thing I knew, me and Grandpa were scraping the eves and rolling on a new coat.

He died at around eighty, fifteen years ago. I've got his set of 1/2 SK sockets and the memories of one tough MFer. I miss him every day.

Relish the time Moses, he don't need no changin'

Jess

if he read any of this he'd kick yer ace moses.

great story none the less, i'd like to have a guy like that as my neighbor. help me out with my heavy lifting...

Steve Carlton posted this pic in the "More Random Pics..." thread. Somehow, it seemed appropriate here.

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Randy

Moses,

Your father sounds alot like my grandfather, Stan who passed this past February. Very proud, tough and stubborn... those traits got him through some rough times (WWII, etc...) and made for some great memories for us. Enjoy the time you have with your father and help keep him safe... or as safe as you can!

Livi, your a MD right? U have to have a certain amount of intelligence to become an MD, right? They just don't hand out MD degrees willy nilly in Sweden, do they? So why the Sulk. didn't U stop and think about what I posted before U reacted with your reply?

1. Didn't U stop and think, well this is the way I feel about what he said, and how am I going to respond to Tabs.

2. Didn't U stop and think, well why did he say what he had to say to me? (What was Tabss reasoning?)

The point being that there are ways of saying things that can effect change. Moses is a guy that dearly loves his Dad and is worried about him now that he is getting older. No need to complicate things there is a simple straight forward way to make the old man realize that maybe he has forgotten that he just MIGHT need alittle help now and then. All we want here is a little realization here and not a major change.

Livi,

Don't let tabs get to ya. He's been a bully all his life. In fact, his favorite childhood pastime was pushing wheelchair-bound kids down the stairs. :eek:

Randy ;)