Well Moses...did the solution of having your son spend time with Pops come outa the blue or were you pondering it for awhile?

Your orginal post never intimated anything about your son as being part of the solution. If I recall you were trying to figure out a way to get the old man to listen to your concerns and how to approach him.

Your orginal dilemma is still not resolved, is it?

No, the problem is not solved. Likely it will never be. My son helps my dad when he asks, but dad won't ask when there is "serious" work to do. I'll never change him. He's who he is.

Here's a pic of dad as a rookie on the Oakland Police Force after WWII.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1172395745.jpg

Your a grown man Moses (mature) who loves his Father and cares very deeply for him as his son. Your dilemma is that U need for him to stop and listen to you and your care, to have a dialog. This isn't so much about changing behavior, this is really evident because you came up with a workable solution to your surface dilemma without any help from the Board, so the issue runs deeper than the stated dilemma.

From the new picture, I think that he is REALLY proud of his son, that he brightens his day,,,but won't let on...and he feels that if he ever stops moving the pain he carrys will catch up to him. Its all in the smile and squint.