Pat and Art, my friends, all of the intel that was used to plan the strike on Pearl was fron Japanese spys covered as civilians. There had to be decisive action taken to close that type of leak. Any country fighting for its life will make sweeping moves to help improve its odds of survival. If it does nothing it will cease to be a sovereign.

We don't have collective punishment based on race in America so your premise is a non-starter. The Americans of Japanese decent were thrown into concentration camps so that people could steal their stuff, including prime farm land.

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There had to be decisive action taken to close that type of leak. Any country fighting for its life will make sweeping moves to help improve its odds of survival. If it does nothing it will cease to be a sovereign.

The round up of Americans of German decent began when, exactly?

Art, yes my question as to repatriation of slave descendants (if it were submitted as a statement) is truly disingenuous. It is a sarcastic way to say that decedents of slavery are much better off in the US in spite of the fact that their ancestors were enslaved.

Pat, Please...the answer is pure and obvious practicality, Germanic descendants were a very important element of our military economic and scientific network. They were too many and too valuable. In 1941 the Japanese were a small enough community and easy to physically identify making internment a workable option. a very unfortunate situation for the Japanese pop. At the time many Germanics in the US began to identify with the Dutch. Japanese and Germanics have served our country well and our nation owes them at least a salute of gratitude.

When the federal government came for and imprisoned the Americans of Japanese decent, those who could not continue to pay their property taxes lost their land. I don't know how many acres, but tens of thousands at the very least.

As I stated, good old Earl Warren was the prime mover behind the federal abduction of Americans in California.

I worked with someone so imprisoned, she was 9 years old when they came for her and her family. It's a chilling story I'll never forget.

Yes there is nothing pretty about it. It is real life. Do your self a favor and make a viable point.

The point here is that the government made these atrocities possible. Without an all powerful, corrupt government hundreds of thousands of Americans would have lived through World War One and Two, and Americans would not have been arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps wholesale.

Further, tens of thousands of Americans who've died in wars after 1945 would have been alive to lead personally rewarding lives, enrichening the fabric of American life in untold ways.

As far as racist activities are concerned, government has frequently been the primary vehicle for racists, and Abraham Lincoln was one of the worst of all time. Lincoln was the chairman of the Illinois Colonization Society, who wanted to move all black men and women out of North America.

Now, you make a point, any will do.

Promotion or enrollment of minorities based on anything other than proper qualification is by its very nature, racist.

The government routinely hatches racist programs under many different names. One glaring example is the minimum wage law.

"the gov atrocity's... all powerful...I will assume you mean the US gov, mine and yours. Pull your head out of your extreme prejudices and look at the rest of mankind and its history. The atrocity's committed by the US gov are among the least in history. Your existence is evidence of that. A government that you describe would have left you in a pool of blood long ago. I am very proud of the tolerance of our gov and society. My self and millions of others have and will again protect your right to express your opinion no matter how repugnant. Not prefect...Big Surprise!!

Tens of thousands would be living in peace and prosperity if we practiced total isolationism? Well we didnt remain isolated, so that is not only unproven but flys in the face of common sense.

Here's a hint, you have never, and will never, protect my right to do anything.

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Tens of thousands would be living in peace and prosperity if we practiced total isolationism? Well we didnt remain isolated, so that is not only unproven but flys in the face of common sense.

Your statement is indicative of a radical socialist, are you?

"Isolationism" as a term was coined as a perjorative to spur America into involvement in european warfare, nothing more. America was never isolatinist, it traded and communicated with any country on an equal basis until the merchantilists and socialists changed the government, for the worse.

Much worse.

Entering into european warfare was not beneficial for America or Americans.

I am the fastest pick and punch typist in the east, and i am self-employed. :)

800 posts over 90 days is only 7.77 posts/day. That doesn't really strike me as that many.

No one said life was fair. It's just more fair than death.

You are absolutely wrong.

Isolationism is a common term used in a discussions involving such as foreign policy. You know that. Radical socialist? No, you know that too, quit playing foolish word games.
There are many very important reasons to keep a gov in check, but, brother, your radicalism is so off the scale that our common ground evaporates in a millisecond and open minds are slammed shut.

If the gubmint screws your and your family's lives for generations, among thousands of others just because you're right handed or blue eyed you think all of these folks should just chalk it up to a life experience?:rolleyes:

I'm curious. How has the government screwed YOUR life? Seriously, I am currently under the opinion that the current generations of minorities are enjoying the benefits of government bending over backwards to help them. Show me the other side.

Exactly. They continue to shamelessly whine and b!tch about the oppression suffered by their ancestors, hoping to get a better deal for themselves to "make up for it". Their proud, hardworking, long suffering forefathers must be rolling in their graves. What a disgrace.

I see, then you don't know how the term "isolationist" came into being and what it's used for. Now, who's playing at games. It is in fact a term used by radical socialists and fascists to label people opposed to global hegemony by the US government. If they don't say it outright, then it's implied that means Amercans seal the borders, letting nothing or noone in or out.

In fact, none of the people it's used against supported anything of the kind. Not when the term first appeared in the 1930's, and not today. Keeping the US government within US boundaries at all times has nothing whatsoever to do with not visiting countries, accepting foreign visitors here, and trading with any and all peoples.

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There are many very important reasons to keep a gov in check, but, brother, your radicalism is so off the scale that our common ground evaporates in a millisecond and open minds are slammed shut.

I'm not a radical, I'm an extremist...for freedom and liberty. I tolerate no illegal government at all, and neither should you. Any unlawful activities by government means government tyranny.

As Stefan Molyneux said in his article The gun in the Room, government is about force, and the threat of murdering anyone not compliant. That's rationale enough to eliminate all government, or as much of it as possible.

Anyone has a range of options, from revolt, to peaceable protest, to emmigration.

It is up to each of us to decide how to handle governmental tyranny if and when we are presented with such.

But the fact remains, life is patently unfair, and always will be. Social engineering will never change that fact.

You tolerate a legal gov't with every breathe that you take via your inaction. When you pay for inspection and registration on your car you tolerate legal gov't. When you pay your property and/or income taxes you tolerate a legal gov't.

While there is obvious merit to many of your stated causes(esp. when presented in a less sensational manner), it is clear that you are only living them in spirit to the point it is convenient to do so.

If you want to impress me actually live like you profess we all should. Start by immediately disavowing the use of all government provided services.

Including the roads....

It is patently obvious that you feel the time for a revolution is well in hand. If you truly believe that, IMO to be true to yourself and your beliefs, you should be acting on it. The fact that you have not indicates to me that you are not nearly as sold on these ideas as you profess.

You never know Pat, maybe you'd be the 'spark'. If you truly believed what you say, you'd have already found out.