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Re: Re: Re: Re: How to deal with musluims that state we must all die or convert

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Originally posted by nostatic
so how's the lack of pork in your diet working for you?

Or are you writing this from heaven? :p

We worked out a compromise. My left nut is now Muslim. Sunni, I think.

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Originally posted by Moses
We worked out a compromise. My left nut is now Muslim. Sunni, I think.

well don't get any Shiite on it. But then again you wouldn't be playing around there anyway...

or would you?!?! :eek:

not that there's anything wrong with that...

nothing...nothing at all (cough)..

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Originally posted by nostatic
But then again you wouldn't be playing around there anyway...

or would you?!?! :eek:

Not me, thanks. I'm far too fond of my non-Muslim member to treat it so disrespectfully.

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Originally posted by m21sniper
That's exactly what happened to those European reporters some months back, during the Israeli-Lebanon war IIRC.

I think he was refering to was in YOUR country, not in their country.

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Originally posted by IROC
Just because the Koran says something doesn't mean much to me. The Bible has *alot* of passages in it that no Christian really follows (I don't see Christians killing people just because they work on the Sabbath very often).

I feel pretty confident that not all Muslims feel that infidels must be killed. Can someone point me to articles of Muslims killing infidels today because they will not convert to Islam? Where is this currently occuring? There are plenty of Christians in the Middle East - are they currently being forced to convert at gunpoint? If not, why is there such a fear that it will soon be happening here?

I really do not see this as a realistic threat. Sorry.

Mike

Christians and Jews aren't infidels. They're believers.

Might as well face it, it's a quacked way of thinking on their part. What they "think" follows no known human sociological pattern (the only possibility would be brainwashing, but that's impossible since Muslims are too widespread in the world....to brainwash 1.3 billion like that, it has to be absolutely no external exposure). If these people were right, then it would mean that Muslims aren't human, but some other species.

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Originally posted by cool_chick
Christians and Jews aren't infidels. They're believers.

The Arabic word for non-Muslim is 'kafir', which is often translated into English as 'infidel'.

Did you really not know that, or are you trying to be cute?

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Originally posted by gaijindabe
Bashing for the sake of bashing is not worthy of this OT board.

That rules out about 90% of fastpaste's posts. :D

Randy

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Originally posted by Rearden
The Arabic word for non-Muslim is 'kafir', which is often translated into English as 'infidel'.

Did you really not know that, or are you trying to be cute?

I know what kafir is. It's a non-muslim. No it does not translate to "infidel" in the context you're trying to imply. An infidel is a non-believer...one who doesn't believe in God. Jews and Christians believe in God.

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Originally posted by cool_chick
I know what kafir is. It's a non-muslim. No it does not translate to "infidel" in the context you're trying to imply. An infidel is a non-believer...one who doesn't believe in God. Jews and Christians believe in God.

Revisionist and inaccurate, but if it makes you feel better...

From the living islam website; http://mac.abc.se/~onesr/f/Are%20Christians%20and%20Jews%20Infidel.html

Are Christians and Jews Infidels?

Question:
Who exactly is a Infidel, according to Islam?

Answer:
The "Shari`a" or "Applied Islamic Law inferred from Revelation" knows only two credal categories of human beings: "Muslim" and "non-Muslim" (kâfir). There is no difference of opinion on this in Islamic Law, heresiology, and doctrine.

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Originally posted by cool_chick
[B]Christians and Jews aren't infidels. They're believers.

Christians and jews are termed 'Kaffirs' by Islam. It is a highly derogatory term.

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Originally posted by fastpat
I think he was refering to was in YOUR country, not in their country.

First of all, they were reporters there to make sure the 'palestinian plight' was shown to the world- so abducting and forcibly converting them is hardly the act of justified people. Second of all, because of non-existant immigration policy, at some indeterminate distant point in the future, it COULD be my country.

Sigh.

Muslim bashing should be taken to the appropriate level. As to the UK, the reason most of us live here is because we don't agree with the way the UK is run. God FK the queen and all her merry men.

Muslims will wake up one day, or not, when the sleeping giant wakes up here. They will not like what happens next. They have been warned and they will all be in the same boat. They have a short time to correct the problem themselves, but once it goes past the critical point, the point where all the sane people here tell the political correct to go to hellll, and we take action, it will be to late for all of them. I don't care what the fk they beleive or think but when they start blowing up our country to make their point, they have gone way to far.

J H Christ,

What part of this does she still refuse to believe??? How thick can one person be???

Originally posted by cool_chick
I know what kafir is. It's a non-muslim. No it does not translate to "infidel" in the context you're trying to imply. An infidel is a non-believer...one who doesn't believe in God. Jews and Christians believe in God.

Let me make it easier for you to understand. ANYONE WHO IS NOT A FOLLOWER OF ISLAM, IS AN INFIDEL AS STATED BY THE KORAN. The Koran does not say a person who does not believe in God, but one who does not believe in THEIR God.

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Originally posted by Moses
Revisionist and inaccurate, but if it makes you feel better...

From the living islam website; http://mac.abc.se/~onesr/f/Are%20Christians%20and%20Jews%20Infidel.html

Are Christians and Jews Infidels?

Question:
Who exactly is a Infidel, according to Islam?

Answer:
The "Shari`a" or "Applied Islamic Law inferred from Revelation" knows only two credal categories of human beings: "Muslim" and "non-Muslim" (kâfir). There is no difference of opinion on this in Islamic Law, heresiology, and doctrine.

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Technically, you're partly right. A Jew and Christian wouldn't be a kafir. They'd be a Dhimmi (people of the book). A Dhimmi is not a nonbeliever, not an infidel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir

(b) Umma, Dhimmi and Kaffir
In this article we do not seek to present an analysis of Islam as a whole, but to concentrate on a particular aspect, viz. the treatment of the Infidel in Islam. Islam divides mankind into three categories - the Muslims (umma), the people of the Book (ahl al-Kitab) and the unbelievers (kafir). The umma consists of all those who have made the profession of faith of Islam (the Sahada). This is the statement that "there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet". They come under the jurisdiction of Islamic law, and retreat from this is impossible, for in Islam apostasy is a capital offence. The people of the Book are Jews and Christians, who according to Islam, also received the revelation from God, but in an imperfect form and in any case they soon departed from its correct interpretation. Even though the Koranic revelation supercedes that of the "people of the Book" they are tolerated in Islamic countries and worship of their religions allowed (except in Arabia proper where the Muhammad decreed that only the worship of Islam be permitted).

Studies of Islam by Christians and Jews lack in objectivity as they cannot criticise the dogmas of Islam without exposing themselves also to the same charges as their beliefs are not too different. They also seem to revel in the special position accorded to them in Islam (though subject to a financial penalty) and Muslim rulers had usually employed them in high positions in the administration of conquered peoples. Christian and Jewish writers on Islam have generally ignored the position of the Kafir in Islam. Quite apart from the affinity they share with Islam their own attitude to "pagans" has been hardly different especially in the medieval period.

The historic conflict of Christian with Muslims best typified by the Crusades has been long forgotten. Recently the Pope has made overtures to Muslims and even praised them for the regularity with which they pray to God.

http://www.uq.net.au/slsoc/manussa/tr05manu.htm

But either way, a Jew or Christian cannot be an infidel because they believe in God.

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Originally posted by nostatic
so how's the lack of pork in your diet working for you?:p

Pork is nature's perfect food - bacon, sausage, pork tenderloin, pork chops, ribs....mmmmm bbq ribs.

Hope i don't burn in hell for smokin' a few baby backs.