Gumball 3000 fatal hit and run? - Page 2

pwd72s · 05-03-2007, 07:36 PM

Hey Tony, pedal to the metal for you...

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

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Originally posted by pwd72s
Let's all go on a run over the tail of the dragon. OR the west hills of Portland, OR. OR a canyon run out of L.A. What the hell...we all need to do something! Right??? (This just offered as food for thought. )

One reason I don't do them any more. But Gumball is in a whole 'nother league compared to local canyon strafing.

pwd72s · 05-03-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by nostatic
One reason I don't do them any more. But Gumball is in a whole 'nother league compared to local canyon strafing.

Yeah...the participants of Gumball have more money and more expen$ive cars...

RallyJon · 05-03-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by HardDrive
Macedonia is a third world country? You need to get out more man. Try northern India on for size.

Macedonia is part of Greece. If there are 2 million people who can't get that much straight, you expect someone from the civilized world to hang around for their "trial"?

Look, I'm just trying to point out in this "get the rich ****er"-fest that people tend to behave VERY rationally, despite what judges and juries on web forums believe.

notfarnow · 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by RallyJon

Look, I'm just trying to point out in this "get the rich ****er"-fest that people tend to behave VERY rationally, despite what judges and juries on web forums believe.

Leaving the scene of an accident, where two people are seriously injured... is that behaving rationally?

I'd like to hear more about how that could be rationalized, outside of "Oh f##k, I'd better get outta here"

And FWIW, I don't think the reaction has much to do with them being rich. It's about being reckless, drunk and cowardly

EDIT: This assumes that what we've read is true. Many of the accounts are on blogs, and many don't mention booze.

Jims5543 · 05-04-2007, 05:22 AM

Don't lump the Dragon in with your canyon runs on the west coast.

Tail of the Dragon is a 2nd gear road, while there are sections where you can stretch your legs in 3rd gear they are far and few between. The posted speed limit is 35 MPH and you'll be hard pressed to get much over it. A typical street car goes 20-25 MPH on this road and our mighty porsches hit about 40-45 in the twisties.

Our Porsche goup out there was complimented on their good behavior and display of car contol over the weekend. While other car groups (Elise, 240's and Corvettes come to mind) are publicly slammed for their behaviour.

tonypeoni · 05-04-2007, 05:25 AM

"While other car groups (Elise, 240's and Corvettes come to mind) are publicly slammed for their behaviour."

Im thinking the Elise probably owned that road though.

RallyJon · 05-04-2007, 05:56 AM

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Leaving the scene of an accident, where two people are seriously injured... is that behaving rationally?

How about a closer to home example: my wife works in a very, very dangerous area, an economic development zone in a city with a crime rate close to that of Baghdad. When you're in an area like that, what do you do if you're involved in a traffic accident? You sure as heck don't jump out of your car and check to see if everyone is alright. Frankly, you don't have any idea what's going on--is it a setup for a carjacking? insurance fraud? Or will you just be beaten or killed by the friends or relatives on the scene? She knows where the police station is and knows to drive there if she can. Even in a bombed out city, the police station is a relative oasis of safety.

Now what if you're in a part of the world where you don't know that the police will help you?

notfarnow · 06:03 AM

But those weren't the circumstances, were they?

Speeding at night, you hit a car. An elderly couple is seriously injured.

I want to understand how leaving the scene of THIS accident could be rationalized.

RallyJon · 05-04-2007, 06:01 AM

We don't know the circumstances. Everyone is assuming and filling in the gaps to suit their biases. I just figured I'd play devil's advocate and propose a more rational explanation.

thrown_hammer · 05-04-2007, 06:02 AM

I don't think getting in an accident is illegal. Last time I checked KILLING people with your car is.

stomachmonkey · 05-04-2007, 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by gprsh924
but in Amsterdam, thats not 100% true

Leaving Amsterdam, as in taking his "souvenier" purchases with him.

tonypeoni · 06:21 AM

All this hit and run is hitting a little too close to home. I must confess I ran over Jennifer's (My beautiful GF) cat on the way to pick her up last month

I feel bad for not telling her but I know she would never look at me the same way so yes I left the cat there and drove back around the corner and waited. Luckily no one saw me. Her neighbor across the street saw the cat and ran over to tell Jennifer at that time I came back around acting like I knew nothing. She was crying we ended up taking the cat to a emergency pet clinic where they extracted $900 from me for emergency care. To cut this short the cat lived it just had a momentary collapse of one of its lungs. Ill never tell Jennifer the truth. Im glad thats off my chest

notfarnow · 05-04-2007, 06:14 AM

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Originally posted by RallyJon
We don't know the circumstances. Everyone is assuming and filling in the gaps to suit their biases. I just figured I'd play devil's advocate and propose a more rational explanation.

I understand your point, it's too easy to judge without knowing all the facts.

In some circumstances, I could understand fleeing the scene if I was in danger. I don't think being in "danger" of detention or prosecution counts though.

notfarnow · 05-04-2007, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by tonypeoni
so yes I left the cat there and drove back around the corner and waited. Luckily no one saw me. Her neighbor across the street saw the cat and ran over to tell Jennifer at that time I came back around acting like I knew nothing.

????!!!

thrown_hammer · 05-04-2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally posted by tonypeoni
All this hit and run is hitting a little too close to home. I must confess I ran over Jennifer's (My beautiful GF) cat on the way to pick her up last month I feel bad for not telling her but I know she would never look at me the same way so yes I left the cat there and drove back around the corner and waited. Luckily no one saw me. Her neighbor across the street saw the cat and ran over to tell Jennifer at that time I came back around acting like I knew nothing. She was crying we ended up taking the cat to a emergency pet clinic where they extracted $900 from me for emergency care. To cut this short the cat lived it just had a momentary collapse of one of it lungs. Ill never tell Jennifer the truth. Im glad thats off my chest

tonypeoni · 05-04-2007, 06:22 AM

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Originally posted by thrown_hammer

Didn't mean to offend all you cat lovers out there.

thrown_hammer · 05-04-2007, 06:27 AM

I don't love cats, nor am I offended. Your story just struck me as bizarre.

tonypeoni · 05-04-2007, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by thrown_hammer
I don't love cats, nor am I offended. Your story just struck me as bizarre.

Well what would you have done? Let me guess the responsible thing.

RallyJon · 05-04-2007, 06:30 AM

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I don't think being in "danger" of detention or prosecution counts though.

I believe it does if you have reason to believe that you will not get a fair trial. I don't know much about Macedonian law enforcement or corruption. One indicator is that they allowed the race/rally to happen in the first place. Another is that a quick Google search indicates that Macedonia is a huge drug transshipment point. Again, I just don't know. Maybe these fellows had a better idea.

And again, we still don't know the circumstances of the accident beyond the bloggo-rumormill. Was this a James Dean type thing? Who was really at fault? (The rich guys in the Porsche, duh. Rich guys in Porsches are always at fault.) Will there ever be a reliable, trustworthy account of what happened?