Man knew he had TB before flying to Europe

[cool_chick]

Man knew he had TB before flying to Europe

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A man infected with the extensively drug-resistant form of TB known as XDR TB knew he was not supposed to travel overseas but did so anyway, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Dr. Julie Gerberding told CNN's "American Morning" on Wednesday.




http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/conditions/05/30/tb.flight/index.html





What an *********.

[Rich76_911s]

I think what he did wrong was fly back from greece or something with it. It was my understanding that what he did was fly back to Canada with Czech air and drove into the US. He did not think he could get the appropriate healthcare abroad.

I think he is under arrest now.

Rich

[Bill Verburg]

He should be shot

Darwin works too slowly for people like that

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by Rich76_911s
I think what he did wrong was fly back from greece or something with it. It was my understanding that what he did was fly back to Canada with Czech air and drove into the US. He did not think he could get the appropriate healthcare abroad.

I think he is under arrest now.

Rich

Health officials determined the man had a multiple-drug resistant form of TB on May 11, a day before he left for Paris, Dr. Stuart Brown, director of Georgia's Division of Public Health, told CNN.

He had met with county health officials and his doctors that same day to discuss his risk, Brown said.

"The Fulton County folks gave him a verbal warning of the danger and the prohibition against travel on May 11," Brown said, noting that the patient's reaction set off some alarm bells.

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He departed Atlanta on May 12 aboard Air France Flight 385 and arrived in Paris the next day, she said at the news conference.

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The man told the newspaper he was aware he was placed on a no-fly list in the United States after his recent diagnosis with XDR TB, which is why he decided to fly into Canada.






Sure, he didn't get the "official" diagnosis until he was in Europe, but everyone, including him, pretty much knew what it was. Rich, this guy is an *********.

[fingpilot]

There is a lesson there.

NEVER fly AirFrance.

[Noah930]

This guy should pay (financially) for the epidemiological mess he's created. There's either an element of sociopathic indifference/maliciousness that's wrong with him, or else he's just really dumb. I wouldn't be against "inconveniencing" him with some sort of criminal charge, either (assault with a deadly weapon?).

[Jeff Higgins]

Yet, if he were a gay man with AIDS, everyone would be screaming about his rights.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
Yet, if he were a gay man with AIDS, everyone would be screaming about his rights.

If he had AIDS, he wouldn't be a danger to the passengers on the plane. So indeed, I would be screaming about his rights if he had AIDS.

[M.D. Holloway]

How often do you sit next to some hacking, weezing moron on a flight? I thought grade school was a place get your daily dose of germs. Airplanes are a great place to get sick.

Wash your hands and face as often as possible!

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by cool_chick
If he had AIDS, he wouldn't be a danger to the passengers on the plane. So indeed, I would be screaming about his rights if he had AIDS.

That's a rather narrow, short sighted point of view. While he would indeed be of no immediate threat to his fellow passengers, he would likely be a threat to the population he was visiting. Gay men are notoriously promiscuous, and readily find new partners in their travels. As their disease continues to spread, it has demonstratably been due, in large part, to their irresponsibility in controling and containing it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending TB boy or trying to deflect the argument. He deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. He deserves to be sued by anyone he has infected. What I'm attempting to highlight is the politicalization of infectious disease. Anyone who is HIV positive should have travel restrictions similar to what was called for in this case. That they do not speaks to the power of the gay lobby and the gullibility of the hand-wringing ninnies of the left that support them.

[notfarnow]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
Gay men are notoriously promiscuous, and readily find new partners in their travels.

Unlike straight men, right?

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
What I'm attempting to highlight is the politicalization of infectious disease. Anyone who is HIV positive should have travel restrictions similar to what was called for in this case.

Hepatitis C?
Herpes?
Genital warts?
Syphilis?

[dd74]

He's in quarantine in Atlanta. At least they caught the guy. The alarming thing is his identity and passport were red flagged, but he still managed to get into the U.S.

Border security is another scary factor in all this.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
That's a rather narrow, short sighted point of view. While he would indeed be of no immediate threat to his fellow passengers, he would likely be a threat to the population he was visiting. Gay men are notoriously promiscuous, and readily find new partners in their travels. As their disease continues to spread, it has demonstratably been due, in large part, to their irresponsibility in controling and containing it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending TB boy or trying to deflect the argument. He deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. He deserves to be sued by anyone he has infected. What I'm attempting to highlight is the politicalization of infectious disease. Anyone who is HIV positive should have travel restrictions similar to what was called for in this case. That they do not speaks to the power of the gay lobby and the gullibility of the hand-wringing ninnies of the left that support them.

Not narrow or shortsighted whatsoever. A man with AIDS is not a threat to the population he was visiting. A person with TB IS. There is no valid reason to restrict travel of a person with AIDS.

You're trying to compare apples and oranges in a misleading attempt to make people think those with AIDS are a threat to people on a plane or something, when they're not. Talk about narrow and shortsighted! The only valid comparison of TB is to Ebola or the bird flu, etc.

[livi]

As we are all being epidemiologists here , I thought I´d irritate you with another perspective. Principally speaking of course, not claiming it to be valid in this specific situation.

Tuberculosis is for most individuals a rather silent disease, both regarding symptoms and risk of transmission. Basically it requires an open lung cavernous with a lot of coughing in order to posses a high risk of transmission. Furthermore, the bacterial resistance concept is sometimes confusing. A highly resistant bacteria is not more dangerous or transmittable in it self. The problem is that IF you catch it, the treatment arsenal is very limited.

A person with AIDS may not be as harmless as it seems. The basic hazard with HIV is it´s ability to destroy your immune system. This makes you an open invitation to all kinds of micro organisms. And here is the twist: An activated immune system is what causes all the symptoms when infected. Thus, and AIDS patient MIGHT very well carry several infections without knowing it, transmitting them without knowledge. Tuberculosis is one of the most common infections caught by an HIV positive individual, defining the conversion to AIDS.

So there you have it. Another point of view with at least some digestible truth in it.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by livi
As we are all being epidemiologists here , I thought I´d irritate you with another perspective. Principally speaking of course, not claiming it to be valid in this specific situation.

Tuberculosis is for most individuals a rather silent disease, both regarding symptoms and risk of transmission. Basically it requires an open lung cavernous with a lot of coughing in order to posses a high risk of transmission. Furthermore, the bacterial resistance concept is sometimes confusing. A highly resistant bacteria is not more dangerous or transmittable in it self. The problem is that IF you catch it, the treatment arsenal is very limited.

A person with AIDS may not be as harmless as it seems. The basic hazard with HIV is it´s ability to destroy your immune system. This makes you an open invitation to all kinds of micro organisms. And here is the twist: An activated immune system is what causes all the symptoms when infected. Thus, and AIDS patient MIGHT very well carry several infections without knowing it, transmitting them without knowledge. Tuberculosis is one of the most common infections caught by an HIV positive individual, defining the conversion to AIDS.

So there you have it. Another point of view with at least some digestible truth in it.

And if the person has who AIDS is carrying a deathly airborne transmittable disease, he should be quarantined and not fly, just like this guy. If he doesn't, he shouldn't. Just because the person has AIDS doesn't mean he is in fact transmitting deadly airborne viruses. It's stupid to quarantine one with AIDS just because he has AIDS. But if he is ill with these other deadly airborne communicable viruses, he should be quarantined. Pretty simple.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by cool_chick
You're trying to compare apples and oranges in a misleading attempt to make people think those with AIDS are a threat to people on a plane or something, when they're not.

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
While he would indeed be of no immediate threat to his fellow passengers,

Reading comprehension never has been your strong suit.

Originally posted by cool_chick
Pretty simple.

Only if you did not understand what he said.

Originally posted by notfarnow
Unlike straight men, right?

Of course straight men are, but that tendency is quite well tempered by the female component of the relationship. Data abounds, and is readily available right here on the internet, if you care to look. Data that defines "promiscuous" from a heterosexual male point of view, and from a homosexual male point of view. They are worlds apart; orders of magnitude apart. Quite a lot of it hosted on gay advocacy sites concerned with their health and well being. I suggest you read some of it; it really is quite enlightening.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
Reading comprehension never has been your strong suit.

More like thinking is not your strong suit. And thanks for derailing the thread based on completely irrelevant stuff.

Only if you did not understand what he said.

I completely understood what he said. That's why what I said is simple.

[livi]

Fishing familiar waters is rarely unpredictable..

[Tobra]

Originally posted by cool_chick
If he had AIDS, he wouldn't be a danger to the passengers on the plane. So indeed, I would be screaming about his rights if he had AIDS.

Way to miss the point. I believe he was referring to the most favored status that AIDS patients have. Not compelled to tell their suregeon they are infected, but a surgeon is expected to disclose positive AIDS test, or perhaps the ridiculously disproportionate amount of funds spent on AIDS research relative to the number of cases. AIDS patients get exotic infections due to their compromised immune systems and are a greater risk to the general population.

Patient Zero(earliest guy they could trace AIDS to was a gay flight attendant who knew he had a communicable disease and still was having as much unprotected sex as he could, got the AIDS thing off to a nice running start in the gay community, what about his rights?

Back on topic, this guy should have been quarantined at the very least. Drug resistant TB is no joke and he has exposed a lot of people in a wide spread area. He should have everything he owns siezed and sold, be put in isolation and have a mask sewed onto his face so he can't cough on anyone.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by Tobra
Way to miss the point. I believe he was referring to the most favored status that AIDS patients have. Not compelled to tell their suregeon they are infected, but a surgeon is expected to disclose positive AIDS test, or perhaps the ridiculously disproportionate amount of funds spent on AIDS research relative to the number of cases. AIDS patients get exotic infections due to their compromised immune systems and are a greater risk to the general population.

Patient Zero(earliest guy they could trace AIDS to was a gay flight attendant who knew he had a communicable disease and still was having as much unprotected sex as he could, got the AIDS thing off to a nice running start in the gay community, what about his rights?

Back on topic, this guy should have been quarantined at the very least. Drug resistant TB is no joke and he has exposed a lot of people in a wide spread area. He should have everything he owns siezed and sold, be put in isolation and have a mask sewed onto his face so he can't cough on anyone.

People

don't

meet

then

have

sex

on

planes

spewing cum everywhere in fellow passengers mouths, vaginas, anuses, etc.


Point was not missed, it was stupid.