I wouldn't be so fast to condemn the seller either without more proof that he knew about the cracks. I don't know the guy, but the wheels were refinished at Al's and were on a fairly expensive 911. If the cracks weren't there when he sold the wheels, why should he be responsible? As a seller, I might have refunded part of the money, but that is just me. How about if he had sold a new windshield and the buyer had it break on him 2 weeks after installation. Is the seller responsible?

Wow! Chris sorry to hear about the troubles. Let me know if you need a lead on some wheels.

Did some one mention that you can buy NEW fuchs for what we are paying for used ? Don't think so. Also, If they are cracked they Had to be chromed. Doubt it,

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 84porsche
He deemed them as perfect, I bought them based on his statement of the product.

Not to prolong your agony (I sincerely feel your pain), but old used FUCHS, no matter how pretty they may look, ain't perfect (they are old and used) - no matter WHO says they are.

I've learned (the hard way) that a seller's wonderful claims can be hype, lies or true. Regardless, I now judge for myself, then take my chances - or not.

This particular type of crack has happened on 9" Fuchs specifically, and not only on refinished wheels.

I don't know all the details, but it's probably worth attempting to contact PCNA to see if there's a program for replacement.

Everyone with 9" Fuchs should inspect for horizontal cracks across the middle of the spoke.

slodave,
definitely his wife wasn't home :lol:

84porsche,
you should have checked them before they went on the car and drove.
Can they be welded back? I had my front cross bar cracked and the guy welded it last year with tig weld. Still look good.

Don't know about this on Fuch but I had many chrome set (not fuch) and never had any problem.

Brand New (in the factory box) 9x16 Fuchs for $800 each!SmileWavy

Show me anywhere on this Board, Renn, FleaBay where someone is selling them for less than that! And if they are, what maybe $700 each for 20 year old used wheels? And this is EXACTLY why I would NEVER buy used chromed Fuchs. They could easily be hiding this type of crack, and you would never be able to see it, until the crack made it to the inside part of the wheel.

Check Fast Eddy's postings. It appears that he has bought and sold many different wheels, and misc. parts through this board. I can't believe for a minute that he didn't know there was any cracking present. Especially looking at the backside of a wheel that's represented as being restored and in "Excellent condition?" Something is just not adding up here...

Oddly enough, he posted a WTB for a "single" 9x16 wheel. Maybe the story is beginning to unfold... Eddy posted that he sold the car, however, the new owner wanted to run with the original 15's. Perhaps Eddy never sold the 15's, and bought a set of 7&9x16's to upgrade, only to find the same ugly cracks? Then unsuccessfully attempted to purchase a single 9x16 as a replacement?? Later, sells the car with the 15's, but now it's time to unload the 16's? Maybe I just have too much time on my hands... :eek:

However, Me thinks it's time for one FAST EDDY to come clean on this matter, or forever be flamed out when listing parts on this Board! Be the stand up guy that most Pelican's actually are. If he doesn't want to take all the wheels back, at least take the "one" bad wheel back. You still have the opportunity to make good on this Fast Eddy...

Fast Eddy, I have 6 fuel injectors with only 135k miles on them, in Excellent Condition! Freshly refinished with Mop&Glo for that NEW look! Yours for $125 each! :D :D SmileWavy

Read Chris' post. No refinished!

Be careful. It almost sounds as if you are making an insinuation about Eddy.

Last year, Eddy's brother had a Carrera for sale that was wrecked. Eddy advertised it here. I went and looked. His brother (I don't remember his name) had the car on a lift. He was very quick to point out a major problem that could only be seen on the lift at the front of the floor pan. When the car was on the ground, it really didn't look that bad. the nose was down a bit and the fenders showed that. but, it could have bent in a lot of places, but this one bent in an impossible to fix place (IMHO). It was a nice, nice car until someone's dickweed son took it out and stuffed it.

It is completely possible that these wheels came off that car (wrecked). But again, this was last summer. How long would it take to sell nice wheels? Probably not that long. Anyway, anyone could look up Eddy's posts and track the sale or parts as this car was dismantled. I don't think anyone bought it whole. I didn't, thankfully, and part of the thanks goes the Eddy's brother.

Frankly, I think Eddy will eventually work with you, Chris. And, I'm sure Al could get you a matching wheel by BB V. Call Jason Cullen.. He usually has several wheels at AR's place being readied for sale.

Milt

I never made such claims, I said ask Al if the Fuchs where chromed or not...

Wow that sucks. Catch 22 senerio.

FYI- Just because a wheel has been chromed before does not mean it will crack. Ask Al Reed. He told me if a wheel is chromed, then you remove the chrome and there is no underlying damage, the wheel will be fine. A bad chroming job would show up when you strip the wheel.
Hell, we race cars on some old 15x7's that have been chromed in their prior life. I have also seen non chromed fuchs crack. It's a coin toss.

I stand corrected. My apologies. I know that Chris did nothing to these except bolt them up. I don't know what transpired between Eddy and Al. You know Al is the best and wouldn't give a wheel back to anyone refinished if he saw anything.

Now, I'm thinking the Carrera wheels I saw went on Eddy's car when he sold it and these are his take-off's. Who knows. It could be anything and I'll shut up.

Too bad about all of this. I, too, bought some used Fuchs. I guess I better go lie under the car. ;)

Well Buddy. Sometimes thats the way it goes.
Now if you look at the positive side:

You can get a piece of glass and make one hell of an end table!
;)

I feel bad because I was the guy who pointed out the add to Chris.

C'mon, Fast Eddy, do the right thing and take back the bad wheel. Let's be honest here for a minute and admit that the wheel was most likely bad when it was sold just a few weeks and only a few hundred miles ago. Just because you might not have known of the crack, doesn't mean it wasn't there when you sold it. It most likely was and therefore the honorable thing to do is refund Chris' money for that wheel (or wheels).

Be a man about it!

Just to throw in my $.02, when we painted my race wheels, (15x7/8 Fuchs), there was some over spray on the backside of the spokes. To get a good coat on the edges, it will get some paint underneath. Since these were refinished by someone who all say is a great guy, I'm sure that's all it was. Not a "cover up" As for Fast Eddy, I think he should do something as a good faith measure.

Who wouldn't feel bad for Chris? But.........

(1) The unhappy buyer says:

"Just because you might not have known of the crack, doesn't mean it wasn't there when you sold it. It most likely was......."

Well maybe it most likely was, maybe it most likely wasn't. Realistically, who could possibly know?

(2) The defensive seller says:

"When you bought my used computer from me I had no idea that it would short out and burn up when you were using it three days later."

In either case, we're talking "used" (ie, partially "worn out") equipment.

When you buy used you just don't always know just HOW worn out.

I didn't pay for the expensive electronic module that went out a week after I sold a car. Unless the disgruntled buyer actually had the goods on me that I somehow knew (I didn't) that the module would go out (actually, on the other hand, how coulld I know that it WOULDN'T go out?) and had witheld that information, I'd be more than a little pissed if my character was attacked on a public forum - that's not an honorable thing.

Buying used is always risky, but not always a situation where the seller rips off the buyer. Sometimes siht just happens.

i don't get it

the wheels were not cracked when purchased
and no traces of any touch up paint anywhere near those cracks?

paint is otherwise, uniform as if it came fresh from Al Reed?


no offence, but , mechanical parts can look fine and crack
it's bad luck ,but as a seller, person to person, i'de probably say no warranty too

as a seller, you don't know what happened with tha wheel
pothole, racing with sticky tires, bumping on curbstones

who's to know

unless the cracks were showing when bought
or if there are clear signs of covering up

maybe put a paint thickness meter on the good and bad Fuchs... see if they are uniform in paint... if so, no coverup...


i'de have to say bad luck but can't blame anyone... other then time itself...

If you buy a 911 in excellent condition, have PPI done, and 300 miles later a head stud breaks and costs you $5000 for top end, is it the sellers fault? Yes it sucks (ask me how I know!!), but sometimes those things just happen. Should the seller pay for any part of it? Probably not, though it would be nice. When you are dealing in old used stuff, sometimes the dice come up against you. Don't be too bummed about it though. It does appear that it was just bad luck, at least I hope that's what it was and the buyer didn't know. If the crack was that obvious, if it was there when you got them you probably would have noticed it when you mounted them.

fuchs
 

The crack became visable once the wheel was stressed. I'm sure
he knew about the crack.

You missed out on one important factor Dari!
These wheels, while in fact used, were represented as being in "Excellent condition." They were also priced damn near the same price as new Fuchs. Dam Skippy I'd be attacking his character on a public forum, especially If I'd given him ample opportunity to make things right! Personally though, I would be having this conversation face to face with him!

You still have a chance to make this right EDDY... Just do the right thing!!SmileWavy