what's with all the stars?

[tchanson]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

perhaps it's legion-aire's disease

Classic.







Tim

[kstar]

2001 explained: http://www.kubrick2001.com/

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts

Just saw this movie on my computer here while burning some CDs. My goodness, not what I expected. Am I uncultured to not really care for it? I mean, should I be on acid for a 15-minute scene of a spaceship docking to be interesting? How about 18 minutes of apes? I'm sorry, it's supposed to be "artsy" but this movie didn't really make any sense to me. I guess it's like those modern art splashes of paint that sell for tens of millions of dollars?

-Wayne

Wayne, you and I just aren't "deep" enough to appreciate it

Last night on TV they were showing something about timothy Leary. What a wacko.
Seems he was busted by an assistant DA by the name of G. Gordon Liddy.
In the ulimate irony, he was sentenced for possession of pot (not LSD) and later he went on a lecture curcuit with ... guess who .... G. Gordon liddy.
See what that crap does to your brain?

[frogger]

Liddy and Leary are like matter and anti-matter, not that it really matters.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Wayne, you and I just aren't "deep" enough to appreciate it

Last night on TV they were showing something about timothy Leary. What a wacko.
Seems he was busted by an assistant DA by the name of G. Gordon Liddy.
In the ulimate irony, he was sentenced for possession of pot (not LSD) and later he went on a lecture curcuit with ... guess who .... G. Gordon liddy.
See what that crap does to your brain?

Why would Leary hang around with a traitor and a criminal? You may have something with your brain statement.

[sammyg2]

Liddy addmitted to his crime and served 4 1/2 years of a 20 year sentence before it was commuted by Jimmy Carter. More Irony as Carter was a democrat.

Traitor? That is a stretch. Liddy was following direct instructions from the staff of the president of the united states. It appears at the time that Nixon did not order or orchestrate the break in, but he covered it up after he found out about it and that cost him the presidency. Does what Liddy did constitute treason? I have a hard time with that.
What he did was wrong but I say his motivation was not treason. I'd venture to speculate that in his mind he was doing it for the good of the country and considered himself a patriot, even if he was completely wrong in thinking so.

Liddy was a wacko right wing extremist but calling him a traitor is a bit much. If anything he was the opposite to a fault. His extreme patriotism caused him to lose sight of what was right or wrong.
I'm not standing up for him or condoning his actions at all, even the best intentions carried to excess can become evil and he proved that.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Well said Sammy.

In my opinion he put President before Country. that, and his specific misdeeds (conspiracy and illegal wiretapping...not the burglary part), makes him a traitor.

Just my opinion.

[WI wide body]

Hey Shaun,

How does your '84 run? I recently bought an identical car. It's a nice old unrestored targa with 102K on it. Didn't really need it since we have an '86 wide body cab but it was a good deal and it ran great.

Then right before winter kicked in around here it began to sputter sometimes and finally it got really bad while accelerating. So I checked all the normal things that the smart guys suggest and none of it sovled the problem so rcently I replace the Temperature Head Sensor. (That was a bit of a pain) So now I'm hoping that solves it.

How many miles on your Carrera and did you ever have this issue?

Ed C

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by WI wide body

Hey Shaun,

How does your '84 run? I recently bought an identical car. It's a nice old unrestored targa with 102K on it. Didn't really need it since we have an '86 wide body cab but it was a good deal and it ran great.

Then right before winter kicked in around here it began to sputter sometimes and finally it got really bad while accelerating. So I checked all the normal things that the smart guys suggest and none of it sovled the problem so rcently I replace the Temperature Head Sensor. (That was a bit of a pain) So now I'm hoping that solves it.

How many miles on your Carrera and did you ever have this issue?

Ed C

Hi Ed,

Great posts BTW and welcome to hell, errr, I mean OT!

I'm afraid I can't be much help without knowing what was checked. Feel free to email me with what was checked and any kind of operating info. My 84 (parted out as a casualty of a failed start-up) ran strong to 245,000 miles. I sold the motor as a core and when the builder opened it up, it was pristine inside. Cylinder walls were in excellent shape. It always ran fast and strong, especially with a Steve Wong chip, M&K muffler and test pipe. Never once had an issue with the car with over 70K miles I put on it.

[Aerkuld]

2001 was my first thought. It was a very weird movie and I know what you mean when you say you had no idea what was going on and what it was all about. I'll have to watch it again now. What I like about it is it's a movie that lives on in your mind long after the closing credits and requires lengthy discussion to figure out even remotely what was going on. I don't know why, but I like things like that.

[the]

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts

Just saw this movie on my computer here while burning some CDs. My goodness, not what I expected. Am I uncultured to not really care for it? I mean, should I be on acid for a 15-minute scene of a spaceship docking to be interesting? How about 18 minutes of apes? I'm sorry, it's supposed to be "artsy" but this movie didn't really make any sense to me. I guess it's like those modern art splashes of paint that sell for tens of millions of dollars?

-Wayne

No, it's not quite as "abstract" as splashes of paint.

I'm generally with you, not a fan of "artsy" or the overly "abstract." And I'm not a Sci Fi fan at all, but 2001 is one of my favorite movies. I don't usually watch a movie more than once, but I've seen 2001 probably 10 times. It's really a unique movie (the only one I can think of) where you really have to see it multiple times to have any appreciation for it.

I think it was an incredibly ambitious movie, dealing with our evolution, place in the universe, the core of our being, and where we are going. Our relationship with our tools, and their role in our evolution and technology, etc. etc.

What I find really brilliant about the movie is the way it handles these "unhandleably" large issues. It doesn't try to give a black and white answer key, because that would be unsatisfying and nothing more than fiction. Instead, it is more of a guide, or partner. It definitely tells a story, but you have to participate, too.

Some find the movie slow, but it has a pace and rhythm that is intentional and is a big part of the impact.

It has so much thoughtful imagery packed in it, you can't do it justice by trying to talk about all of them. One neat one is where they make the huge leap in the movie from ape to man. The ape is earlier shown inventing the first tool (a bone, which he ultimately uses to smash another ape's head). The ape throws the bone into the air, where it morphs into the spaceship (i.e. man's latest tool). A very well done way of taking us through 4 million years of man's history, in 5 seconds.

Of course, given 60's technology and style, the realism and technical aspects of the film are pretty incredible, although to me very secondary.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

All well put.

another movie that must be seen multiple times, Pink Floyd's The Wall.

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Hi Ed,

Great posts BTW and welcome to hell, errr, I mean OT!

I'm afraid I can't be much help without knowing what was checked. Feel free to email me with what was checked and any kind of operating info. My 84 (parted out as a casualty of a failed start-up) ran strong to 245,000 miles. I sold the motor as a core and when the builder opened it up, it was pristine inside. Cylinder walls were in excellent shape. It always ran fast and strong, especially with a Steve Wong chip, M&K muffler and test pipe. Never once had an issue with the car with over 70K miles I put on it.

Shaun,

On the '84 engine sputter/cut-out I first checked the fuel supply, the FI, all the connections I could reach, changed the DME relay, and finally the Head Temp. Sensor. As I mentioned, I am hoping that the HTS will solve it. But the white stuff has not allowed me to drive it enough to find out.

That's why I was wondering if you had ever experienced the same thing. My HTS did have the old style connector that had only one prong, whereas the new ones have two. The other end had a female receptacle for two prongs but the clever guys at Weissach must have dedided for whatever reason that it was not needed. Go figure.

Anhow, did you ever have occassion to change or check if your HTS was the old style? They tell me that it's something that should be done even if it's not currently a problem.

Later.

Ed C

[sammyg2]

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

You know what? Imus is a bit of a jerk but many of the folks who yapped about his "racial indiscretions" are no better in my opinion.

Those phonies seem to have no problem with groups like the BCA (black coaches assoc.) or the Black Caucus in Congress when those groups by their very name are racist and should be outlawed.

I can just imagine if Bobby Knight or some southern coach started a WHite Coaches Assoc.

[MRM]

Wayne, you're not alone. I saw it college because I thought I should, back when 2010 came out. I had some friends who were really into the mythology of both movies and we were pretty excited. Both movies bored me. 2001 was interesting in an acid-trip sort of way, but I think 20 minutes of docking either builds suspense or boredom. If it builds boredom, the movie wasn't made for you. I've seen it a few more times as I got older and my experience never changed. 2010 was just not very good.

I saw The Wall the first week it was out in 1982 0r 1983. I was pretty familiar with the album and thought I would like the movie. I was completely unprepared didn't like it at all. I listened to Pink Floyd more and saw the movie again as a senior in high school with people who were more familiar with the music and story, and enjoyed it more. I've become much more conversant with Pink Floyd, even reading "Pipers at the Gates of Dawn" and I've rented The Wall a few more times. I understand it now and appreciate it, but can't say I really like it. which is odd, because I can listen to the album for hours. Dark Side of the Mood even more. I really do like the Comfortably Numb scene which flows into the concert scene and then the scene where he tries to call his wife and ends up singing "I need a dirty woman, I need a dirty girl ...".

[juanbenae]

i have very little time for any of this.

T$

[Superman]

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts

Just saw this movie on my computer here while burning some CDs. My goodness, not what I expected. Am I uncultured to not really care for it? I mean, should I be on acid for a 15-minute scene of a spaceship docking to be interesting? How about 18 minutes of apes? I'm sorry, it's supposed to be "artsy" but this movie didn't really make any sense to me. I guess it's like those modern art splashes of paint that sell for tens of millions of dollars?

-Wayne

Naw. I think it's more about the period. Citizen Kane is consistently and overwhelmingly considered the finest film ever made. But if you don't know anything about the time period, or the significance of what you're watching, then it would seem just like another boring old film.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by k911sc

i have very little time for any of this.

T$

Now this thread is gonna get moved to a regional backwater forum.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Now this thread is gonna get moved to a regional backwater forum.

Oh well. The movie wasn't particularly well recieved by the viewing public of its time nor has it been lauded by film critics at any time, plus Kubrick was never recognized as a particularly good or creative director of any consequence.

Of course, I've been known to get things all backward .