China is trying to kill us all slowly

[rcm]

Check this out , it's at least interesting.


http://www.
who-sucks.com/business/made-in-china-2007-danger-timeline

[kach22i]

Try this, yours got cut off.

http://www.who-sucks.com/business/made-in-china-2007-danger-timeline

One thing to ponder is, because China makes so much, they are bound to have more incidents and recalls. That said, I don't trust them or their products.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Knock-off cheap junk with little or no original engineering input made by unskilled, low-wage or slave laborers in sweatshop conditions in a country with no liability laws is somehow supposed to live up to western standards for safety and reliability?

You can't seriously be surprised by this.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Even Korea has nothing to fear from China.......yet. Someday they will get their quality up to snuff, then we will have cause for concern. Until then, Made In China = put back on shelf.

[cairns]

mmmm guys I have to differ. I just bought a Shanling CD player from China. With tubes and the best of Sony and Phillips digital technology combined (legally obtained by Chinese). It is a beautiful, incredibly well built and designed high quality product that sounds fantastic.

The Chinese aren't confining themselves to knock offs and low quality manufacturing. They are already making inroads on high end audio that many people are noticing and purchasing. Shanling is only one of a number of Chinese high end audio producers.

[Zef]

If they can produce and sell all kind of junk like that...it's because people buy them...!!!

[The Gaijin]

Where are our Customs folks? About as well funded as their sister agency the immigration folks, I imagine...

Don't blame the Chinese, they are trying to make a buck. (Or a Yuan.) Blame our throwaway consumerist society and our all-trusting government.

Others want to kill us, not the Chinese.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by cairns
I just bought a Shanling CD player from China.

An exception to the 90% rule we are talking about.

I'm going to PM you about your system, here is a link to mine.

http://www.martinloganowners.com/~tdacquis/forum/showthread.php?t=531

You have the CD player I would replace mine with.

[GO DAWG GO]

EVERYTHING in Walmart is made in China...Go buy a Craftman tool -made in China. Very little consumer items arn't. I'm not going to rant about this I dont want to sound like a Chinese made CD.

[rcm]

I just put it up for the boards viewing pleasure. I have no argument either way I guess..except to say we let it happen.

[TechnoViking]

Pretty much all electroincs today are made in China.

Shenzhen was a fishing village in 1980.....

[alf]

The Chinese are capable of making some very high end stuff, they are very capable of inventing, designing and innovating as well. I have seen it first hand.

Do not underestimate them. They were the dominant economy for most of our history, they just got a little bit distracted in the last 100 years or so.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

They're CAPABLE of making some very high-end stuff, but it's easier for them to cop out and just rip off everyone else's work and hide behind their non-existent copyright laws. Why work to make money when you can make the same money and have someone else do the work?

In that respect, they're quite shrewd and savvy and cunning - but not innovative and most definitely NOT our friends.

[Rick Lee]

I really blame ourselves for this. We don't enforce patents or copyrights, we don't play hardball with them on anything. We asked for it.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Yes, on this I completely agree. Feeding the greed beasty is the #1 priority in America that trumps everything else - from sensible foreign policy to trade diplomacy to tariff enforcement to who to make war on. If you can provide America with a cheaper plastic thing-a-ma-whatsy, you apparently get a free pass on human rights violations, international safety standards, pollution and emissions standards and copyright/intellectual property law. As long as you get your toaster for two bucks cheaper, it's easier to just let 'em go.

On this, the Chinese are ******* BRILLIANT - they've discovered that America is its own worst enemy in that it can't say "no" to anything when it comes to restraining consumption and they turn our Achilles' heel (our greed) back on ourselves and use it to destroy us with. Actually quite brilliant. Brutal, but brilliant.

[dd74]

Not necessarily this particular model (the Bianchi Virata), but it's a known fact that many high-end Italian cycling companies like Bianchi and Colnago, manufacture their road/race bikes in China. In my opinion, anyone who pays above $2,500 for a Chinese-made bicycle, should be very aware of what quality they could receive. In other words, would you trust it on a 40 mph descent? Will it crack in half when you sprint or climb hills on it? And finally, will you kick yourself knowing you've spent $2,500 on what has been touted as a traditional Italian performance bicycle only to be made in an industry that has virtually no cycling-related quality assurance, and no bloodlines to old-school Italian road bikes?

We're lucky in the U.S. that we have Trek, LeMond, Cannondale and Serotta - to name a few - and all American made - plus a whole host of smaller factories building quality steel, aluminum, titanium and carbon fiber frames.

The bicycle frame - race of otherwise - is not under a copyright, though I suspect some materials making the frame are. So I have no problem with a Chinese-made/designed bicycle from that standpoint.

[cairns]

Kach you have a system to be proud of. No pictures of mine but B&W 801s/MacC36/602 and B&W subs. I'm using a fairly old Thorens (TD318) witha Sumiko blue point so I will upgrade that next as I've been buying alot of vinyl (that's why I love the Shanling) and rediscovering my old.

I'd LOVE to get one of these:

http://www.redpoint-audio-design.com/main.html

just for the sheer beauty of the thing...

but will buy something decidedly cheaper, maybe Basis or Clearaudio not sure yet. The redpoint is around $8K w/o arm or cartridge!

[Porsche-O-Phile]

I have no worries riding my 15-year-old Pinarello.

I've got a little "Italian Trash" streak in me I guess. It was either that or a Maserati.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by cairns
maybe Basis or Clearaudio not sure yet. The redpoint is around $8K w/o arm or cartridge!

I'm going to build my own (one day) with hardware from here:
http://www.teresaudio.com/



Made in USA!

[cairns]

That's stunning. And quite reasonable too. I hadn't considered them but will. That's why I liked Basis so much, small New Hampshire company, reasonable prices.