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slodave 07-16-2007 10:55 PM

Salvia Divinorum. Wow! This is messed up.
 
Short term, hard core hallucinations. I've done a lot of things back in high school and college, but this stuff is wicked. The best part, it's still legal! :eek: :rolleyes:

I'm pro pot, but geez, I have been watching a few videos on Youtube and can't believe what I see.

Shows some mild effects...
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This one is longer, but he really trips out.
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Wikipedia entry:
"Salvia divinorum originates from the region of Oaxaca in Mexico where it is still used by the Mazatec Indians, primarily to facilitate shamanic visions in the context of curing or divination, but also remedially at lower doses to treat ailments including diarrhea, anemia, headaches, rheumatism, and a semi-magical disease known as panzon de borrego, or a swollen belly.[10] It was first recorded in print by Jean Basset Johnson in 1939 as he was studying Mazatec shamanism.[11] He later documented its usage and reported its effects through personal testimonials.[12] It was not until the 1990s that the psychoactive mechanism was identified by a team led by Daniel Siebert.[13]
Flowering Salvia divinorum
Flowering Salvia divinorum

The history of the plant is not known, but there are three possibilities as to its origin. Since it is found in one small area and only one indigenous group uses it, it is either native to this area, is a cultigen of the Mazatecs, or is a cultigen of another indigenous group.[6] Wasson theorized that this plant was the mythological pipilzintzintli, the "Noble Prince" of the Aztec codices.[3] However, this theory is disputed."

For those with kids, be careful!

dd74 07-16-2007 10:59 PM

Uh, no thanks. I'll just have an aspirin.

Nostril Cheese 07-16-2007 11:04 PM

LMAO

thinkfloyd14 07-16-2007 11:50 PM

what a coincidence,

i tried this stuff last night! its legal we bought it at a tobacco shop. I was similar to the second video, basically u cant stop laughing and you feel retarded.

slodave 07-17-2007 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thinkfloyd14
what a coincidence,

i tried this stuff last night! its legal we bought it at a tobacco shop. I was similar to the second video, basically u cant stop laughing and you feel retarded.

So, after that experience, would you do it again? I've been watching more and it seems very unexciting. It also seems that your friends have a good laugh at your expense as well.

thinkfloyd14 07-17-2007 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by slodave
So, after that experience, would you do it again? I've been watching more and it seems very unexciting. It also seems that your friends have a good laugh at your expense as well.
I've shroomed, dropped acid, pot, coke etc... salvia was the worst by far, you feel like an idiot, no im not doing it again, i would try anything once (minus meth)...thats why i did it, ya my friends did laugh, but 10 minutes later i was laughing at them when they looked like a retard so who really cares.

Some of my friends liked it, but those who liked it havent really experiemented at all past pot, so salvia was probably more intense and revealing to them. I admit it completely took over my body, but after I just appreciated the wonders of lucy in the sky more and more. bottom line lucy is the only drug i will ever do again (besides pot, is it even a drug?).

Dantilla 07-17-2007 04:29 AM

....and I would want to do that......... why?

No thanks.

rouxroux 07-17-2007 05:00 AM

+1

I hope you find something to fill whatever is seemingly missing from your life. Watch out young grasshopper, as that monkey will eventually bite.

Jeff Higgins 07-17-2007 05:32 AM

Must be why the Mazatecs have risen to be such an economic, social, and political force in the world.

Porsche-O-Phile 07-17-2007 06:26 AM

I think I'll get some and then watch that "I've got a crush on Obama" video about 100 times. Should be a thrill.

pmajka 07-17-2007 09:11 AM

for those who have done it, how was the second and third day afterglow??

M.D. Holloway 07-17-2007 09:35 AM

I'll stick with Coors Lite, makes me stupid enough thank you.

Superman 07-17-2007 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thinkfloyd14
I've shroomed, dropped acid, pot, coke etc... salvia was the worst by far, you feel like an idiot, no im not doing it again, i would try anything once (minus meth)...thats why i did it, ya my friends did laugh, but 10 minutes later i was laughing at them when they looked like a retard so who really cares.

Some of my friends liked it, but those who liked it havent really experiemented at all past pot, so salvia was probably more intense and revealing to them. I admit it completely took over my body, but after I just appreciated the wonders of lucy in the sky more and more. bottom line lucy is the only drug i will ever do again (besides pot, is it even a drug?).

You must be younger than I am. There will come a day when you will stop doing "acid." You may continue to dabble in 'shrooms, but acid will become too harsh. The price you pay the next day will become too high. Unless of course your brain is much every day, in which case you may not notice this phenomenon, or any other for that matter. I'm not assuming anything or talking down to you. Just reporting that gray-haired guys with their brains still mostly intact find acid to be quite harsh, eventually.

thinkfloyd14 07-17-2007 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pmajka
for those who have done it, how was the second and third day afterglow??
none whatsoever for me, ive had countless friends do it and same for them.

tabs 07-17-2007 01:03 PM

And Mom and Dad pay Tution for that?

Now U know how I view most of U BOyz....

thinkfloyd14 07-17-2007 01:33 PM

I suppose you were never young, were you tabs?

Jims5543 07-17-2007 01:37 PM

They had one of the sidekicks on the Bubba the Love Sponge show do it. When he was tripping they started messing with him and that by itself was 10X more funny than what the stooge taking the drugs was doing.

I feel my 1st pole coming on.

thinkfloyd14 07-17-2007 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Superman
You must be younger than I am. There will come a day when you will stop doing "acid." You may continue to dabble in 'shrooms, but acid will become too harsh. The price you pay the next day will become too high. Unless of course your brain is much every day, in which case you may not notice this phenomenon, or any other for that matter. I'm not assuming anything or talking down to you. Just reporting that gray-haired guys with their brains still mostly intact find acid to be quite harsh, eventually.
You're right, I'm not even 20 years old yet. Chances are I won't do shrooms again, i've never had a bad trip...but I see shrooms as like rolling dice, one time you're just gonna flip out and cry in a corner--which I don't want to do. I see shrooms as bringing out dark parts of your life, I see acid as magnifying beauty in all aspects. LSD is pure beauty and art to me, and I went into it knowing what could happen if my mindset wasnt right, but I dont fear the drug whatsoever, I just have the right personality for it. I wouldnt recommend it to the unstable. I don't look at it the same way old folks do. The man who created lysergic diatheylmide (sp?) lived to be 100 years old. He fried more than I probably will ever be able to find it. It so rare that i'm not worried about it at all. I'm young, I can run for 90 minutes in a soccer game having the time of my life and not feel like **** afterwards. I don't have gray hair, my back feels great, I could have a 24 hr erection etc...

this is just my time of living

don't hate

(btw my spelling isn't the greatest, i'm just too lazy to fix them)

M.D. Holloway 07-17-2007 02:02 PM

thinkfloyd14 - if I had my 20's back again I would not want to alter any of those experiences with drugs that would cloud my mind or give me false perceptions. Granted, I liked my weed and hash and even smoked cocaine and drank way too much hard stuff. If I could change any of it I would have wanted to experience more with less mind altering chemicals.

I look at some guys I know here in Dallas. Guys worth over 100 million easy. These guys are good men, hard workers and all in their 70's. I will bet you they would trade it all to be 20 again and be able to run on a field for 90 straight or keep a hard-on for a solid night.

I guess it is true - youth is wasted on the young...

slodave 07-17-2007 02:06 PM

When I think back on the acid and shrooms I did, I just remember that about two hours into the trip, I was ready to stop. I really did not like having those feelings for 8+ hours. Shrooms always made me take multiple showers, I always thought I smelled like mushrooms and changed clothes a number of times during the trip as well. The last time I shroomed, it was bad and yes, my friend was in the corner in his closet crying and I was in my bed thinking my throat was falling apart.

I have the memories and that's fine with me.

Tobra 07-17-2007 04:16 PM

I don't need to take drugs to feel like an idiot.

thinkfloyd14 07-17-2007 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
thinkfloyd14 - if I had my 20's back again I would not want to alter any of those experiences with drugs that would cloud my mind or give me false perceptions. Granted, I liked my weed and hash and even smoked cocaine and drank way too much hard stuff. If I could change any of it I would have wanted to experience more with less mind altering chemicals.

I look at some guys I know here in Dallas. Guys worth over 100 million easy. These guys are good men, hard workers and all in their 70's. I will bet you they would trade it all to be 20 again and be able to run on a field for 90 straight or keep a hard-on for a solid night.

I guess it is true - youth is wasted on the young...

I don't think youth is wasted on the young, our youths shape who we are, this is the time where people learn the most. I think its perfect that our bodies can take so much more than an elderly person while our minds are expanding at the same time. I know I fried some brain cells, but I honeslty feel smarter after I try something new no matter how bad it is for me physically. I hate ignorance, Id rather be be plain stupid than ignorant. I hate when people condem drugs when theyve never experienced if first hand. Of course there are exceptions (crack, meth, huffing toluene).

For those of you that have dabbled in lysergic, you know its hard to explain it to someone who hasnt tried it. For me its simple: it took me back to the mindset of my early childhood when simplicity made me happy. Now as i'm older I need a porsche to feel happy. I miss the old days where grass, air, energy and a ball made my day. Acid brought that back to me, im not dependent on it but i was nice to take a trip back to the simple life. Its amazing when you can stare at a chainlink fence and be occupied and happy. Thats why youth isnt wasted on the young, as a young person you dont need millions of dollars to be happy, you just need energy--which young people have plenty of.

Tidybuoy 12-03-2008 12:42 PM

There appears to be a variety of Salvia concentrations. The video posted above is 80x which is 80 times concentration - obviously, it looks pretty potent.

This video is 10x which looks to be much milder: (and pretty damm funny)

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slodave 12-03-2008 12:55 PM

Flashback!

Heel n Toe 12-03-2008 12:57 PM

Brownies!

Hugh R 12-03-2008 12:59 PM

I quit using things that I can't control. With beer and such, I can say OK that's enough and whatever I drank 15 to 30 minutes ago is where I can leave it. LSD, shrooms, etc. You're stuck with whatever ride it wants to take you on.

Rikao4 12-03-2008 01:19 PM

like Supe & Lube said..
be careful grasshopper
many moon's ago ..
everybody is launching off..
hey , I must have gotten a dud..
well take another....
then the buildings started sinking..
time for bed.
yes >>I could sleep on acid.

Rika

tangerine911S 12-03-2008 01:20 PM

Ive done it a few times and had fun every time. Im not condoning its use but you might want to try it once (with someone else there). It really opens up your mind and for a few minutes you seem to comprehend things that dont even exist (that doesnt make sense now but youll know what I mean at the time) You are sucked into another reality where reason or logic are out the window and anything is possible and totally beleivable. Best of all its over very soon if for some reason youre not enjoying it. Try it or dont but its certainly an experience that will legitimately leave you wondering if your current reality is really the only one to be seen. By the way, that second video might be the funniest thing I've ever seen. I laughed my butt off.

livi 12-03-2008 01:34 PM

Incredibly stupid.

Heel n Toe 12-03-2008 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tangerine911S (Post 4338119)
It really opens up your mind and for a few minutes you seem to comprehend things that dont even exist (that doesnt make sense now but youll know what I mean at the time)

You are sucked into another reality where reason or logic are out the window and anything is possible and totally beleivable.

Yeah, baby! Getcha some!

http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u...ull/Barack.jpg

Pazuzu 12-03-2008 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 4338069)
I quit using things that I can't control. With beer and such, I can say OK that's enough and whatever I drank 15 to 30 minutes ago is where I can leave it. LSD, shrooms, etc. You're stuck with whatever ride it wants to take you on.

That's how I feel, even pot lasts too long for me. I finally got fed up with the potheads and acidheads, and moved on to something very short lived, but intense.

Yes, I was a nitroushead for a few months in college. At least you knew how long the trip was going to last...exactly 45 seconds. Assuming you woke up at the back end of it :eek:

That was some rotten stuff, when it was taking 3 days of class to recover from two days of weekend, it was too much.

I refused to do acid, I babysat too many people who were tripping, and when it was making ME ill watching them, I knew I wouldn't handle what *they* were watching.

nostatic 12-03-2008 01:57 PM

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slodave 12-03-2008 02:03 PM

What's up with the babysitting? We never had a sober person while we were tripping on acid or shrooms.

cairns 12-03-2008 02:11 PM

I used them all too. Maybe 300 hits of acid, god knows how much pot, mescaline, hashish and psilocybin. I joined the Army to get away from dope. There the drugs of choice were high quality hashish, opium, heroin and meth. Tried those too. And the early 80s were the cocaine years.

While I haven't used any drugs in twenty some odd years I think they were by and large good experiences and I'm glad I tried them. I did try to watch it and never go over (or get near) what I called the edge.

But I guess I grew out of it. Jimmy Carter was the worst psychedelic experience I ever had. I've voted Republican ever since. But still think most drugs should be legal.

tangerine911S 12-03-2008 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slodave (Post 4338209)
What's up with the babysitting? We never had a sober person while we were tripping on acid or shrooms.

Most often on shrooms/acid you have a sense of "being" or sentience. With salvia you can be completely gone. It would be very easy to jump off something or hurt yourself not knowing its dangerous or that you CAN be hurt. You also tend to get up and move around quickly bc sensations start coming at you pretty quick.

Tidybuoy 12-03-2008 02:16 PM

I just like watching the rediculous videos.....it's easier than working.

RWebb 12-03-2008 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slodave (Post 4338209)
What's up with the babysitting? We never had a sober person while we were tripping on acid or shrooms.

I think that kid is smarter than he looks -- or his friends are. IF you are going to mess up your head, somebody with their wits still about them should be there.

Also, note that yellow T-shirt kid immediately starts to analyze his sensory impressions as the drug wears off.

I hope he doesn't get permanently messed up before he realizes the dangers in experimental drug use...

Many drugs contain other compounds, even so-csalled natural drugs like pot -- it can be full of nasty herbicides sprayed from the air to kill it for example. LSD is notorious for containing adulterants, and some dangerous by-products, contaminants, etc..

targa911S 12-03-2008 02:33 PM

Uhhhhh...what were we talking about?

Been there, still go there sometimes, but acid??? Nope not at 58!! My eyes have seen too much horror. Don't want that coming back anytime that I can't control it.,

targa911S 12-03-2008 02:34 PM

so how long does this drug last. about the same as reefer?

slodave 12-03-2008 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 4338261)
I think that kid is smarter than he looks -- or his friends are. IF you are going to mess up your head, somebody with their wits still about them should be there.

Also, note that yellow T-shirt kid immediately starts to analyze his sensory impressions as the drug wears off.

I hope he doesn't get permanently messed up before he realizes the dangers in experimental drug use...

Many drugs contain other compounds, even so-called natural drugs like pot -- it can be full of nasty herbicides sprayed from the air to kill it for example. LSD is notorious for containing adulterants, and some dangerous by-products, contaminants, etc..

I think I originally posted this due to something I saw on CNN. From the videos I have seen, I don't plan on smoking Salvia anytime soon. It looks like a lot of fun when you are sober and can laugh at these videos, but looks a little too incapacitating - even if it's only for a short time.

Gotta love that strychnine laced 'cid!

I was just questioning the sober person for 'shrooms or acid. We didn't want sober people around, as they had a tendency to screw with you and things could get rough.


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