This ought to stir up some of you

[tonypeoni]

Originally posted by widgeon13
trolling

unless you live under a rock, it's pretty common knowledge that Obama is not muslim.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG ..... His father is Muslim. This makes Obama a Muslim by birth. In Islam the punishment for changing religion is death.

Liberals, you will be the first they rake across the coals for your lifestyle choices. Why is it that you so desperately seek to align yourself with Islam?

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Originally posted by alf


Question for you: Is the first amendment null and void for Islam?

My Mullah says, "Gods Law does NOT need the consent of man." He said this when asked about the compatibility of Democracy and Islam.

[Mule]

Correct Tony. I think stoning or beheading is the prescribed treatment for leaving the muslim faith. The mafia seems more sensitive. Can any of you muslim supporters list the other religions that have similar penalties for skipping out. If it really is a "religion of peace" why all the hatred & violence?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

And to think every adult U.S. citizen has the freedom and right to vote. Given some ideas on this thread, maybe we should revisit that.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Mule
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Nostatic, show me the peace loving muslims, in NJ, where they just busted one with a rocket launcher in his front yard, aimed at Newark airport flight paths? In MI where they want sharia law extended to cab driving rules? In NY where they're still trying to fill in a big hole that used to be the trade centers? In France where they are trying to institute elements of sharia? In England where they are preaching hate & blowing stuff up. In mosques around the world where hatred & world domination are preached every Friday. I could go on for another 1/2 hour but I think you get the idea. Peace loving muslims are like Juarez virgins. They probably exist, but they are hard to find.

Do the numbers. How many people are you talking about above, and how many Muslims are there currently in the US, let alone the world?

Yes, let's kill them all because a small percentage are radicalized. That would seem to be the only course of action, correct? We need a final solution. Now where have I heard that before...

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Since I am the arbitrator of Gods Laws it is I who decides whether or not your following the laws of Allah.

Mullah Tabdulla (who happens to be a Rug Merchant on his days off)

[futuresoptions]

I don't really think that Muslims have a chance at winning... I just hate to loose my freedoms here at home due to the actions of Rag heads around the world. I do not think they deserve respect or understanding. If you want to look at numbers then look at the obvious. The majority of Muslims hate us..... The minority are the ones that help us.... Without looking up on Snopes, name ONE outstanding Muslim that has stoodup since 9/11 and condemed the attacks.... There are none..... Oh, but I forgot... it was George Bush and the Jews that blew up the trade centers silly me..... I forgot......I am sorry ahkmed go ahead and come to my country I have only big smiles for you now... I know you really like Us....here date and marry my sister so you can become a citizen and weave your web deeper into our society.... what? yes your friend Juan can come too, did I tell you we were offering amnesty and free healthcare.....

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Originally posted by futuresoptions
I don't really think that Muslims have a chance at winning.

You sit smugly complacent in the comfort of your own home innured from the harsh realities of the world. You think that in every person in the world is an American waiting to get out. You cannot be more wrong, the tide of Reactionaryism is rising, your very Liberal tolerence for what ever goes is at the very heart of what the reactionary abhors. Wishes to destroy to return to the fairness of Allahs Law, to know your limitations and live within them as set out by Allah.

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Originally posted by futuresoptions
I just hate to loose my freedoms here at home due to the actions of Rag heads around the world.

Your Freedoms are allready abridged. Gone like the wind ...the financial scrutiny that that is on you make yu look like a bug under the microscope. It is up to a Bureaucrat to decide whether to squash you like that bug or not.

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Tony, Sammy, Billy boy, Joe-

+100000000

Most muslims have been good Americans...so far. Lets hope they continue to be good Americans!

You got balls for stating your thoughts here. The whiners are converging to deliver a barrage of disinformation and attacks after they read this thread tomorrow! They cant tolerate the truth. I don't know if the original statement from your friend in Saudi is accurate, But all of us reasonable non- Muslim folks don't strap on bombs and blow ourselves up repeatedly with the objective to kill anyone who isn't an Allah chaser including children. Crash airplanes into buildings full of innocent people and teach hate that makes the KKK seem innocuous. Its getting where its hardly worth waisting your time expressing thoughts with a few of these guys, they're know everything and very sensitive and hypocritical. Snopes...Fricken PLEASE! The answer to everything...Myth forking busters..Geez

I wonder why nobody talks about the THREE FORKING PACKS OF CIGARETTES OBAMA SMOKES A DAY...liberals? He going to need good health care soon. I wonder if he drinks..My Muslim friends Do Not Drink. I could really care less what he does to himself.
Its a free country have at it.

This thread is an observation from a man in Saudi. So chill.

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futuresoptions

+10000000000000000000000000

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"You sit smugly complacent in the comfort of your own home innured from the harsh realities of the world. You think that in every person in the world is an American waiting to get out. You cannot be more wrong, the tide of Reactionaryism is rising, your very Liberal tolerence for what ever goes is at the very heart of what the reactionary abhors. Wishes to destroy to return to the fairness of Allahs Law, to know your limitations and live within them as set out by Allah".

Tabs...Is everything OK? Your usually atleast reasonable...What does this have to do with the premise of this thread?

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Allah Akbar...American TV tells Americans that they are entitiled to live like millionaires and that nothing in the world can change that entitlement. Americans have come to believe what they hear and have lost their way to be ruled by men whose only allegiance is to their own greed. Those who remain faithfull to Allah will prevail over the the infidels of greed.

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Allah Akbar...The Infdels have corrupted the earth, they have corrupted everything thay have touched. Made it into filth. Only the purity of Allahs law is uncorruptable and those of faith will set things right through martryerdom.

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Tabs,

I agree with your premise about how TV indoctrinates people. I think other than a few cable shows it should be deposited correctly in a dumpster. I beg to differ on the greed speculation though. I find that all wealth is not derived by greed and not all greed perpetrated by the wealthy. Take a look at your own Avatar statement credo? What do you mean by wealthy? Monetarily or Spiritually?

Bob

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Tabs,

WTF?...are you joking? If your going to blow yourself up, dont do it while your logged into this thread...You'll destroy any Muslim credibility left.

Martryerdom is a place full of Virginians...Dont do it........

[Mule]

Nostatic said:
"Do the numbers. How many people are you talking about above, and how many Muslims are there currently in the US, let alone the world?"

This is the standard comeback for the RC left. I have done 'em. Read 'em and weep do-gooders. Look at the percentage of no answer on questions like "did muslims do 9/11/" Only 32% said yes. Them damn facts keep gettin' in the way, dont they.


National Security Survey Conducted At 2006 American Muslim Conventions

9 Sep, 2006 Surveys

Muslims For A Safe America conducted a survey at the Islamic Society of North America’s 43rd Annual Convention in Chicago from September 1, 2006 to September 4, 2006.

307 Muslims who are American citizens participated in the survey at the Muslims For A Safe America booth at ISNA.

The purpose of the survey was to better understand the views of American Muslims on issues relating to Islam, Muslims, and American national security. It is important to let Muslims articulate their varied opinions on these issues in order to encourage dialogue within the Muslim community and with the rest of American society.

Although this was NOT a scientific survey, because ISNA Convention attendees who visited the Muslims For A Safe America booth are not necessarily representative of the American Muslim community as a whole, the validity of the results has been supported by scientific surveys.

The responses are as follows:

1. Are you a U.S. Citizen? (If no, then don’t fill out survey.)
YES 307 (100%)
NO 0 (0%)

2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST 214 (70%)
AMERICAN FIRST 4 (1%)
BOTH EQUALLY 86 (28%)
DID NOT ANSWER 3 (1%)

3. Is the American government at war with the religion of Islam?
YES 208 (68%)
NO 79 (26%)
DID NOT ANSWER 20 (7%)

4. Can a good Muslim be a good American?
YES 292 (95%)
NO 11 (4%)
DID NOT ANSWER 4 (1%)

5. Did Muslims hijack planes and fly them into buildings on 9/11?
YES 117 (38%)
NO 139 (45%)
DID NOT ANSWER 51 (17%)

6. Did the U.S. government have advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, and allow the attacks to occur?
YES 200 (65%)
NO 70 (23%)
DID NOT ANSWER 37 (12%)

7. Did the U.S. government organize the 9/11 attacks?
YES 106 (35%)
NO 151 (49%)
DID NOT ANSWER 50 (16%)

8. Are the tapes of Osama Bin Laden, claiming responsibility for the 9/11 attacks and threatening future attacks, real or fake?
REAL 126 (41%)
FAKE 129 (42%)
DID NOT ANSWER 52 (17%)

9. Did Muslims commit the July 2005 train and bus bombings in London?
YES 140 (46%)
NO 104 (34%)
DID NOT ANSWER 63 (21%)

10. The Canadian government says it stopped a plot by Canadian Muslims in June 2006 to attack targets in Canada. Do you believe there was a real plot by Muslims?
YES 61 (20%)
NO 202 (66%)
DID NOT ANSWER 44 (14%)

11. The British government says it stopped a plot by British Muslims in August 2006 to bomb planes flying to America. Do you believe there was a real plot by Muslims?
YES 66 (21%)
NO 191 (62%)
DID NOT ANSWER 50 (16%)

12. Is Al Qaeda a real organization, operated by Muslims who are trying to attack America?
YES 149 (49%)
NO 109 (36%)
DID NOT ANSWER 49 (15%)

13. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American freedoms?
YES 17 (6%)
NO 269 (88%)
DID NOT ANSWER 21 (6%)

14. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American involvement in the Muslim world?
YES 228 (74%)
NO 54 (18%)
DID NOT ANSWER 25 (8%)

15. Is it justifiable for the U.S. government to do any of the following in an attempt to prevent terrorist attacks in America:

a. taking religion and ethnicity into account as one factor when deciding whom to interview and search at airports?
YES 37 (12%)
NO 258 (84%)
DID NOT ANSWER 12 (4%)

b. monitoring activities at American mosques?
YES 43 (14%)
NO 255 (83%)
DID NOT ANSWER 9 (3%)

c. listening to phone calls of people in America whom the government claims are connected in some way with Al Qaeda?
YES 64 (21%)
NO 232 (76%)
DID NOT ANSWER 11 (3%)

d. having an informer pretend to support or encourage violence against America, to see if the targeted Muslims will decide to attack American targets?
YES 35 (11%)
NO 258 (84%)
DID NOT ANSWER 14 (5%)

e. monitoring Muslim charities in America, in the hopes of preventing funding for possible terrorist attacks?
YES 52 (17%)
NO 242 (79%)
DID NOT ANSWER 13 (4%)

f. focusing Immigration & Customs Enforcement resources on deporting Muslim illegal aliens, who have not been convicted of terrorism, in the hopes of disrupting possible Al Qaeda attacks?
YES 29 (9%)
NO 263 (86%)
DID NOT ANSWER 15 (5%)

g. allowing Muslim illegal aliens to stay in America if they agree to work as informants, monitoring the Muslim community for the government?
YES 21 (7%)
NO 277 (90%)
DID NOT ANSWER 9 (3%)

h. torturing suspected Al Qaeda members to get information about possible planned attacks?
YES 14 (5%)
NO 278 (91%)
DID NOT ANSWER 15 (4%)

16. Do you believe that your local mosque is being monitored by wiretaps, government agents, or informants?
YES 227 (74%)
NO 59 (19%)
DID NOT ANSWER 21 (7%)

17. Do you believe that your personal phone calls are being listened to, or that your personal mail or email is being read, by the U.S. government?
YES 205 (67%)
NO 78 (25%)
DID NOT ANSWER 24 (8%)

18. Do you believe that your home is bugged by the U.S. government?
YES 97 (32%)
NO 189 (62%)
DID NOT ANSWER 21 (6%)

19. Do you believe that the U.S. government has secretly searched your home?
YES 43 (14%)
NO 245 (80%)
DID NOT ANSWER 19 (6%)

20. If you, or a member of your family, have been questioned by the federal government at any time after 9/11, how were you treated during the interview?
TREATED WELL 65 (21%)
TREATED BADLY 25 (8%)
DID NOT ANSWER 217 (71%)

21. Should Iran develop nuclear weapons?
YES 161 (52%)
NO 123 (40%)
DID NOT ANSWER 23 (8%)

22. Should America attack Iran to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons?
YES 10 (3%)
NO 292 (95%)
DID NOT ANSWER 5 (2%)

23. Was America justified in invading Iraq in 2003?
YES 8 (3%)
NO 294 (96%)
DID NOT ANSWER 5 (2%)

24. Should American troops leave Iraq immediately, or stay there until the Iraqi government and Iraqi military are stronger?
LEAVE NOW 199 (65%)
LEAVE LATER 86 (28%)
DID NOT ANSWER 22 (7%)

25. Was America justified in invading Afghanistan after 9/11?
YES 51 (17%)
NO 248 (81%)
DID NOT ANSWER 8 (3%)

26. Is violence by Muslims against American civilians acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?
YES 23 (7%)
NO 274 (89%)
DID NOT ANSWER 10 (3%)

27. Is violence by Muslims against the American military overseas acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?
YES 134 (44%)
NO 154 (50%)
DID NOT ANSWER 19 (6%)

28. Is violence by Muslims against the American military in the U.S. acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?
YES 73 (24%)
NO 211 (69%)
DID NOT ANSWER 23 (7%)

29. Is violence by Muslims against American government officials acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?
YES 51 (17%)
NO 231 (75%)
DID NOT ANSWER 25 (8%)

30. If you learned about a plot by Muslims to attack targets inside America, would you tell law enforcement authorities?
YES 234 (76%)
NO 39 (13%)
DID NOT ANSWER 34 (11%)

These survey results are based on 307 responses from American Muslims (Muslims who are U.S. citizens) who visited the booth of Muslims for A Safe America during 2006 ISNA Annual Convention.

[Mule]

These survey results are based on 307 responses from American Muslims (Muslims who are U.S. citizens) who visited the booth of Muslims for A Safe America during 2006 ISNA Annual Convention.

The same survey was conducted at the Muslim American Society/Islamic Circle of North America’s Annual Convention in Dearborn from December 23, 2006 to December 24, 2006.

48 Muslims who are American citizens participated in the survey at the Muslims For A Safe America booth at MAS/ICNA.

The results, which were similar (in terms of percentages) to the results at the ISNA Convention, are as follows:

1. Are you a U.S. Citizen? (If no, then don’t fill out survey.)
YES 48 (100%)
NO 0 (0%)

2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST 35 (73%)
AMERICAN FIRST 2 (4%)
BOTH EQUALLY 10 (21%)
DID NOT ANSWER 1 (2%)

3. Is the American government at war with the religion of Islam?
YES 32 (67%)
NO 15 (31%)
DID NOT ANSWER 1 (2%)

4. Can a good Muslim be a good American?
YES 46 (96%)
NO 2 (4%)
DID NOT ANSWER 0 (0%)

5. Did Muslims hijack planes and fly them into buildings on 9/11?
YES 14 (29%)
NO 32 (67%)
DID NOT ANSWER 2 (4%)

6. Did the U.S. government have advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, and allow the attacks to occur?
YES 28 (58%)
NO 13 (27%)
DID NOT ANSWER 7 (15%)

7. Did the U.S. government organize the 9/11 attacks?
YES 19 (40%)
NO 19 (40%)
DID NOT ANSWER 10 (20%)

8. Are the tapes of Osama Bin Laden, claiming responsibility for the 9/11 attacks and threatening future attacks, real or fake?
REAL 16 (33%)
FAKE 23 (48%)
DID NOT ANSWER 9 (19%)

9. Did Muslims commit the July 2005 train and bus bombings in London?
YES 16 (33%)
NO 21 (44%)
DID NOT ANSWER 11 (23%)

10. The Canadian government says it stopped a plot by Canadian Muslims in June 2006 to attack targets in Canada. Do you believe there was a real plot by Muslims?
YES 6 (13%)
NO 30 (63%)
DID NOT ANSWER 12 (24%)

11. The British government says it stopped a plot by British Muslims in August 2006 to bomb planes flying to America. Do you believe there was a real plot by Muslims?
YES 4 (8%)
NO 36 (75%)
DID NOT ANSWER 8 (17%)

12. Is Al Qaeda a real organization, operated by Muslims who are trying to attack America?
YES 25 (52%)
NO 23 (48%)
DID NOT ANSWER 0 (0%)

13. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American freedoms?
YES 5 (10%)
NO 40 (83%)
DID NOT ANSWER 3 (7%)

14. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American involvement in the Muslim world?
YES 34 (71%)
NO 9 (19%)
DID NOT ANSWER 5 (10%)

15. Is it justifiable for the U.S. government to do any of the following in an attempt to prevent terrorist attacks in America:

a. taking religion and ethnicity into account as one factor when deciding whom to interview and search at airports?
YES 9 (19%)
NO 37 (77%)
DID NOT ANSWER 2 (4%)

b. monitoring activities at American mosques?
YES 8 (17%)
NO 38 (79%)
DID NOT ANSWER 2 (4%)

c. listening to phone calls of people in America whom the government claims are connected in some way with Al Qaeda?
YES 9 (19%)
NO 37 (77%)
DID NOT ANSWER 2 (4%)

d. having an informer pretend to support or encourage violence against America, to see if the targeted Muslims will decide to attack American targets?
YES 8 (17%)
NO 38 (79%)
DID NOT ANSWER 2 (4%)

e. monitoring Muslim charities in America, in the hopes of preventing funding for possible terrorist attacks?
YES 12 (25%)
NO 34 (71%)
DID NOT ANSWER 2 (4%)

f. focusing Immigration & Customs Enforcement resources on deporting Muslim illegal aliens, who have not been convicted of terrorism, in the hopes of disrupting possible Al Qaeda attacks?
YES 7 (15%)
NO 36 (75%)
DID NOT ANSWER 5 (10%)

g. allowing Muslim illegal aliens to stay in America if they agree to work as informants, monitoring the Muslim community for the government?
YES 5 (10%)
NO 38 (79%)
DID NOT ANSWER 5 (11%)

h. torturing suspected Al Qaeda members to get information about possible planned attacks?
YES 8 (17%)
NO 37 (77%)
DID NOT ANSWER 3 (6%)

16. Do you believe that your local mosque is being monitored by wiretaps, government agents, or informants?
YES 34 (71%)
NO 12 (25%)
DID NOT ANSWER 2 (4%)

17. Do you believe that your personal phone calls are being listened to, or that your personal mail or email is being read, by the U.S. government?
YES 28 (58%)
NO 14 (29%)
DID NOT ANSWER 6 (13%)

18. Do you believe that your home is bugged by the U.S. government?
YES 15 (31%)
NO 29 (60%)
DID NOT ANSWER 4 (9%)

19. Do you believe that the U.S. government has secretly searched your home?
YES 9 (19%)
NO 36 (75%)
DID NOT ANSWER 3 (6%)

20. If you, or a member of your family, have been questioned by the federal government at any time after 9/11, how were you treated during the interview?
TREATED WELL 10 (21%)
TREATED BADLY 2 (4%)
DID NOT ANSWER 36 (75%)

21. Should Iran develop nuclear weapons?
YES 26 (54%)
NO 16 (33%)
DID NOT ANSWER 6 (13%)

22. Should America attack Iran to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons?
YES 5 (10%)
NO 40 (83%)
DID NOT ANSWER 3 (7%)

23. Was America justified in invading Iraq in 2003?
YES 3 (6%)
NO 42 (88%)
DID NOT ANSWER 3 (6%)

24. Should American troops leave Iraq immediately, or stay there until the Iraqi government and Iraqi military are stronger?
LEAVE NOW 34 (71%)
LEAVE LATER 9 (19%)
DID NOT ANSWER 5 (10%)

25. Was America justified in invading Afghanistan after 9/11?
YES 2 (4%)
NO 38 (79%)
DID NOT ANSWER 8 (17%)

26. Is violence by Muslims against American civilians acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?
YES 5 (10%)
NO 39 (81%)
DID NOT ANSWER 4 (9%)

27. Is violence by Muslims against the American military overseas acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?
YES 18 (38%)
NO 26 (54%)
DID NOT ANSWER 4 (8%)

28. Is violence by Muslims against the American military in the U.S. acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?
YES 6 (13%)
NO 40 (83%)
DID NOT ANSWER 2 (4%)

29. Is violence by Muslims against American government officials acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?
YES 6 (13%)
NO 38 (79%)
DID NOT ANSWER 4 (8%)

30. If you learned about a plot by Muslims to attack targets inside America, would you tell law enforcement authorities?
YES 37 (77%)
NO 8 (17%)
DID NOT ANSWER 3 (6%)

These survey results are based on 48 responses from American Muslims (Muslims who are U.S. citizens) who visited the booth of Muslims for A Safe America during 2006 MAS/ICNA Annual Convention.

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Mule..Very interesting.. What did you glean from this?

I'm going for a drive..... Chime in later after the FBI snags Tabs

Bob

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Originally posted by robert_snyder
Tabs,

Take a look at your own Avatar statement credo? What do you mean by wealthy? Monetarily or Spiritually?

Bob

Well it looks like you have met me and like most have become puzzled by the nature of my game. Well you have shown some courtesy and are at least sympathetic and have had some taste. U have been polite as well. So I guess I'll be nice.

Now U know why so many on this Board give me a wide berth, it because they are wary of me. I am everything my reputation says it is and more.