How Can I tell if Some One Faked My 911 T?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Scooter

Hey Jeff, why do you have two gas caps? I see the one in the front, buy why have one in the back? By the way, nice Porch!

As stated above, T stands for Turbo, and they use a lot of gas so Porsche put in 2 gas tanks so owners wouldn't have to stop and fill up all the time. The additional benefit today is that with both tanks full, the value of the car is nearly doubled.

[tabs]

Is Mr Jeffy making jest of Mr Pest with this Thread? I am begining to like him even if he is an arrogant twit. After all he isn't stupid like U make him out to be, he does have enough functioning brain cells to recognize that I am "Amazing."

[Laneco]

Nice car Jeff!

angela

[MRM]

If you don't have a turbo it's clearly not a real T.

[Scooter]

Jeff has three turbos in the family, of course his "T," which goes without saying, and two Bugs. Ask him about his turbo Bug that was painted a couple years ago.

[MRM]

Well, if it has a turbo, then it's probably correct, but T also stands for Targa. The only way to know for sure is to take it out and see if you can hit 140. If the Targa doesn't add about 20 MPH then there's a good chance there's fakery involved.

[72doug2,2S]

Jeff,

I'm sorry to confuse you, but your car appears to be a 72' R Gruppe car. You can tell this by looking closely at the top of the front windscreen. See the letters there? Still, that doesn't mean someone didn't use a T chasis, or part of a T chasis to make the R Gruppe car.

There are other ways, apart from removing the dash, to find out if there is an original 911T hiding under an R gruppe facade. There are some real experts here and they'd be mighty happy to sort this mess out for you.

Oh, one thing, please check your engine bay (that's in the back) to see if you have a six cylinder motor in there. If you find a radiator somewhere in your car, your problems just multiplied.

I know how frustrating this can be, I've been there. I thought I was buying an original 72T several years ago. Come to find out the 2.4 MFI was replaced by a 2,2S MFI. As you can imagine I was in shock!!! _NO MATCHING "T" NUMBERS. WTF?

Additionally, where I expected to find original T brake lines, I found steel braided lines from an S car.

Under no circumstances put gas in the rear filler door. The MFI system already does this for you, by dumping generous amounts of fuel into the engine and it slides past the rings.

I'm certainly no expert, so others (simple or otherwise) please chime in.

[Scooter]

What Jeff didn't tell you was that he did weld up the targa top to save weight.

[thrown_hammer]

I am pretty sure "T" stands for Targa and not Turbo. I will have to check my references but I don't believe Porsche made a Turbo in 1972. Either way your car is not a "T". It is obviosly a coupe. Unless someone welded a roof on at some point. Try peeling the interior up around the A pillars and see if you see any evidence of welding.

[tc-sacto]

I'm starting to feel bad for the guy,

Jeff,
Go to the technical section if you want a real answer. You'll never get a serious answer here in the OT section.

[72doug2,2S]

Bump!

[livi]

T stands for Thunderbird. Try the Ford forum.






I truly hope you are taking us for a ride, Jeff. Otherwise sorry for joking.

[72doug2,2S]

Jeff,

I just did a search for faking T's. Unfortunately I couldn't find what I was looking for. What am I doing wrong?


I thought there would be several posts detailing this kind of T faking activity, but all I found was this posting by Mule the other day.


Sorry to disappoint you.


Fake "T"

[Jeff Higgins]

Doug, I understand if you lift those up the real VIN can be found underneath. Plus, I hear there is a secret one that may take a little more investigation to uncover. Care, diligence, and attention to detail certainly have their rewards under such conditions. It may take days of careful looking.

[Scooter]

Have you checked the radiator serial number?

Also, are you still running the original spark plug wires? If not, the value will be about half of what you think it is worth. I think the highest bid so far was $3,000, which would really make your car worth about $1,500 (if that much.)

[GDSOB]

The "T" is for T-top. Original 911 with intact T's are hard to find after the popular Trans-Am roof swap...

[svandamme]

T stands for Terrible, which is why Terry Tate has one

[onewhippedpuppy]

Does it have Corinthian leather? If not, you got hosed.

[Jeff Higgins]

So I've been doing a little more investigation, armed with the information you all have provided. I'm getting suspicious again. For one thing, it's certainly no turbo. That much is obvious, even to me. I have a '70 Bug that is, so I know the difference. Here is a shot of my Bug, showing very clearly that it is, in fact, a turbo. My 911 "T" does not have this, so I'm quite sure it is not:



After this unsettling comparison, I went to the front of the car and popped the trunk. Granted, I'm no expert on old 911 VIN's, but this is what I found. I do remember questioning this with the P.O., but he assured me it was characteristic of the "hand-built" nature of the early cars. At the time, I thought it added to the car's "charm". Now I'm not so sure. I don't even think it's a '72 VIN. At least it's blue, so I thought that was kind of important, since the car is blue. Maybe not... I'm getting worried again...

[12own911]

nice comeback...