Us vs. Them, a perspective - Page 2

KFC911 · 11-15-2007, 08:34 AM

Worked great for the Native Americans, original inhabitants of Texas, etc.

Rikao4 · 11-15-2007, 08:43 AM

Nice try KC..but
my dad is a fullblooded indian from the reservation..He served this country, and would tell you..different times , and not the same.
Rika

Chuck Moreland · 11-15-2007, 08:47 AM

Quote:

and of course, all 500K of the muslims in LA county are Taliban militants...ie "them".

Acknowledged, not all muslims are Taliban militants.

But all Taliban Militants are Muslim. Therefor the only rational place to look for them is in the Muslim community.

KFC911 · 11-15-2007, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikao4

Nice try KC..but
my dad is a fullblooded indian from the reservation..He served this country, and would tell you..different times , and not the same.
Rika

He would have my utmost respect, and I'd be glad to listen, but I don't think he'd change my opinion about some of our sordid "policies" from the past...

Rikao4 · 11-15-2007, 09:01 AM

Thank you Keith ,
Rika

onewhippedpuppy · 11-15-2007, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Moreland

Acknowledged, not all muslims are Taliban militants.

But all Taliban Militants are Muslim. Therefor the only rational place to look for them is in the Muslim community.

C'mon now, that's not very PC of you. We have to be careful not to offend anyone as we search for those who seek to perpetrate mass murder.

Mule · 11-15-2007, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman

Right you are! Since we have a report, in fact multiple reports of violence perpetrated by Muslims, we can confidently conclude they are all dangerous and should be treated as such.

And......by this same reasoning, we would also find that Christians should be similarly regarded. Indeed, this program of tracking Christians should have started right after the Timothy McVeigh incident.

In fact, since we find that virtually any community can produce a homicidal monster, we should have the gubmit just track everyone. For a stronger America.

Once more the brain of steel proves infallible. Your comparison is utterly ridiculous. There are hundreds if not thousands of instances of islamic terror world wide. According to your brilliant deduction, one act by a nut ball should put basically everybody in the same class. BRIILLIANT!

In the words of Carlos Mencia, "If you are a dee, please don't marry a dee, 'cause then your kids will be, dee, dee, dee.

futuresoptions · 11-15-2007, 10:12 AM

Trying to find a non-radicalized Muslim is like trying to find a metro-sexual redneck.....

Superman · 11-15-2007, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by futuresoptions

Trying to find a non-radicalized Muslim is like trying to find a metro-sexual redneck.....

Wow. So.......you have the impression that there are virtually no peaceful Muslims? You don't get out much, do you?

Mull, there have been more instances of Christians engaging in terrorism than one. WAY more. But hey, I think you would agree on one thing. The government tracking everyone and evaluating their behavior is the only way to ensure freedom in America.

Mule · 11-15-2007, 10:27 AM

Spit it out. Wanna compare lists?

futuresoptions · 11-15-2007, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman

Wow. So.......you have the impression that there are virtually no peaceful Muslims? You don't get out much, do you?

Mull, there have been more instances of Christians engaging in terrorism than one. WAY more. But hey, I think you would agree on one thing. The government tracking everyone and evaluating their behavior is the only way to ensure freedom in America.

Nope, just don't see too many metro sexual red necks.....

Seric · 11-15-2007, 10:32 AM

Muslim doesn't = Arab Terrorist

But since the media says Muslim = Arab Terrorist, then I guess it's justified.

Mule · 11-15-2007, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seric

Muslim doesn't = Arab Terrorist

But since the media says Muslim = Arab Terrorist, then I guess it's justified.

But Arab terrorist does = muslim. Do you have a point?

futuresoptions · 11-15-2007, 10:42 AM

ANY (ALL) religion(s) that does not stand against members of its faith conducting such actions IMO is a accomplice to the actions. IMO the Muslim community has not distanced itself enough to make that distinction clear. I value your opinions, but this is how I make my opinion in the matter.

Rearden · 11-15-2007, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman

Wow. So.......you have the impression that there are virtually no peaceful Muslims? You don't get out much, do you?

Mull, there have been more instances of Christians engaging in terrorism than one. WAY more. But hey, I think you would agree on one thing. The government tracking everyone and evaluating their behavior is the only way to ensure freedom in America.

What are the Bible verses they quote to justify this Christian terrorism? I do read the news quite a lot, but don't recall many stories about Christian terrorists who commit their terrorism in the name of Christianity.

sammyg2 · 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nostatic

and of course, all 500K of the muslims in LA county are Taliban militants...ie "them".

As usual, you read something into it that wasn't there. I probably share the responsibility for that, I probably could have explained my posisiton better in hidnd sight. At the time I posted it i thought it was pretty clear tho.
Us vs. Them was a meant as a comparison of the values of the United States to the values of the Taliban. We (the US) tend to bend over backward to respect other cultures and religions even to the point of ridiculousness, they (being the taliban) tend to kill people who think or believe differently.
I believe the examples are valid in pointing out the difference between the two cultures.
Your inference that my post was anti-muslim was unfounded and incorrect.

onewhippedpuppy · 11-15-2007, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman

Wow. So.......you have the impression that there are virtually no peaceful Muslims? You don't get out much, do you?

Mull, there have been more instances of Christians engaging in terrorism than one. WAY more. But hey, I think you would agree on one thing. The government tracking everyone and evaluating their behavior is the only way to ensure freedom in America.

Alright Supe, hit me. But the Crusades don't count. Lets go with the last 20 years or so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seric

Muslim doesn't = Arab Terrorist

But since the media says Muslim = Arab Terrorist, then I guess it's justified.

When do they say that? In fact, I'd say that the media goes out of their way to NOT mention the religion of criminals or terrorists. Unless they're a white male, then it's a hate crime. For the most part, our media outlets are on the frontlines of the PC battle. Let's not let the facts get in the way of being sensitive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by futuresoptions

ANY (ALL) religion(s) that does not stand against members of its faith conducting such actions IMO is a accomplice to the actions. IMO the Muslim community has not distanced itself enough to make that distinction clear. I value your opinions, but this is how I make my opinion in the matter.

Ditto. Where is the outcry from the Muslim community? Where are the press conferences from the American muslim clerics, condemming the acts of terrorists? Nowhere to be seen, and it really makes you wonder.

sammyg2 · 11-15-2007, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

..... Where is the outcry from the Muslim community? Where are the press conferences from the American muslim clerics, condemming the acts of terrorists? ........

Based just on what I read in the papers, they are probably too busy filing lawsuits with the ACLU's help against the US government for not conforming to their way of life.

Superman · 11-15-2007, 11:43 AM

You guys are not getting my point. You're reporting that Muslims conduct terrorism at a higher rate than Christians, so the Muslims should be parsed out for intense gubmit scrutiny but not Christians. I guess you know what the cutoff point would be. And with that remark, you're still not going to 'get it.' Okay...........

When we release someone from prison, we know for a fact that this fellow has the inclination to commit violence. Perhaps we should implant a tracking device for life.

Indeed, we have habitual speeders. They should be tagged too, with a GPS tracking device.

In fact, heck, why don't we just tag everyone a few months after birth. That way, we can just enter into a database the activities we think they might be inclined toward.

Moneyguy1 · 11-15-2007, 11:51 AM

Supe...mule argues from the specific to the general. A failing grade in basic debating would be his reward.

Some people cannot be reasoned with and see everything through a very narrow lens.

No wonder the world is in such a mess. Technology has permitted us to instaneously broadcast our fears and prejudices while our emotional/logical aspects have not caught up.