Us vs. Them, a perspective

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Pollsters said they were surprised to find that only 40 percent of U.S. Muslims believed Arabs carried out the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington.

Do they think we staged the moon landing too?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Do they think we staged the moon landing too?

No, they think someone other than Arabs were involved which could be Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Chinese, Australians or even the dreaded Canadians.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

No, they think someone other than Arabs were involved which could be Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Chinese, Australians or even the dreaded Canadians.

Canadians! Those sly ba$tards! I have the solution for them......

[sammyg2]

Ironic that they think someone else was responsible for 9/11 besides those muslims who admitted to planning it and took credit for it.

Some of my black friends insist that OJ was innocent too.

[Mule]

Here tis. Read 'em & weep ladies & germs. As you are reading this give some thought to how many weren't willing to express their true feelings.

http://muslimsforasafeamerica.org/?p=48

[Mule]

One of my personal favorites:

13. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American freedoms?
YES 17 (6%)
NO 269 (88%)
DID NOT ANSWER 21 (6%)

[Shaun @ Tru6]

I'm confused.

Why aren't we rounding up Muslims here in the U.S. and executing them?

[Rearden]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

I'm confused.

Why aren't we rounding up Muslims here in the U.S. and executing them?

Are you sure we aren't? I read all about that on Democratic Underground.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

I'm confused.

WE AGREE!

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Rearden

Are you sure we aren't? I read all about that on Democratic Underground.

What is Democratic Underground? And what can an Average American do to help erase the Muslim population from the U.S.?

[Mule]

Elect folks who are serious about securing the borders and stopping emigration from muslim run or influenced countries, for 1.

2. Monitor mosques.

3. Profile profile profile,

[DanL911sc]

Originally Posted by Mule

One of my personal favorites:

13. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American freedoms?
YES 17 (6%)
NO 269 (88%)
DID NOT ANSWER 21 (6%)

You forgot the more interesting:

14. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American involvement in the Muslim world?
YES 228 (74%)
NO 54 (18%)
DID NOT ANSWER 25 (8%)

So the group most in tune with and most sympathetic with the terrorists is telling us why Al Qaeda targets us. Will we listen?

[DanL911sc]

Originally Posted by Rearden

What are the Bible verses they quote to justify this Christian terrorism? I do read the news quite a lot, but don't recall many stories about Christian terrorists who commit their terrorism in the name of Christianity.

An example from here:

Poso, Jakarta (2000)

On July 26, 2007, 17 Christians were convicted of religion-inspired terrorism under Indonesian law. A Christian mob attacked, murdered, and beheaded two Muslim fishermen in September 2006, reportedly as retaliation for a previous court ordered and legally sanctioned execution in 2006 of three Christians convicted of leading a militant group which killed hundreds of Muslims in Poso in 2000.[14] In addition to the seventeen Christian defendants found guilty of "acts of terrorism by the use of violence", two defendants received fourteen year sentences for their main roles in the killings, while ten were sentenced to twelve year terms. Five other defendants in separate hearings received eight year sentences for their part in the disposal of the bodies.

It seems to be less a question of religion than a question of culture.

But suicide bombers are almost exclusively Muslim. One reason might be polygamy! From here (an interesting article about non PC ideas):

# Most suicide bombers are Muslim

According to the Oxford University sociologist Diego Gambetta, editor of Making Sense of Suicide Missions, a comprehensive history of this troubling yet topical phenomenon, while suicide missions are not always religiously motivated, when religion is involved, it is always Muslim. Why is this? Why is Islam the only religion that motivates its followers to commit suicide missions?

The surprising answer from the evolutionary psychological perspective is that Muslim suicide bombing may have nothing to do with Islam or the Koran (except for two lines in it). It may have nothing to do with the religion, politics, the culture, the race, the ethnicity, the language, or the region. As with everything else from this perspective, it may have a lot to do with sex, or, in this case, the absence of sex.

What distinguishes Islam from other major religions is that it tolerates polygyny. By allowing some men to monopolize all women and altogether excluding many men from reproductive opportunities, polygyny creates shortages of available women. If 50 percent of men have two wives each, then the other 50 percent don't get any wives at all.

So polygyny increases competitive pressure on men, especially young men of low status. It therefore increases the likelihood that young men resort to violent means to gain access to mates. By doing so, they have little to lose and much to gain compared with men who already have wives. Across all societies, polygyny makes men violent, increasing crimes such as murder and rape, even after controlling for such obvious factors as economic development, economic inequality, population density, the level of democracy, and political factors in the region.

However, polygyny itself is not a sufficient cause of suicide bombing. Societies in sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean are much more polygynous than the Muslim nations in the Middle East and North Africa. And they do have very high levels of violence. Sub-Saharan Africa suffers from a long history of continuous civil wars—but not suicide bombings.

The other key ingredient is the promise of 72 virgins waiting in heaven for any martyr in Islam. The prospect of exclusive access to virgins may not be so appealing to anyone who has even one mate on earth, which strict monogamy virtually guarantees. However, the prospect is quite appealing to anyone who faces the bleak reality on earth of being a complete reproductive loser.

It is the combination of polygyny and the promise of a large harem of virgins in heaven that motivates many young Muslim men to commit suicide bombings. Consistent with this explanation, all studies of suicide bombers indicate that they are significantly younger than not only the Muslim population in general but other (nonsuicidal) members of their own extreme political organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. And nearly all suicide bombers are single.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by DanL911sc

You forgot the more interesting:




So the group most in tune with and most sympathetic with the terrorists is telling us why Al Qaeda targets us. Will we listen?

Your logic knocked me out of my chair I see the light now. We should believe that they are telling us the truth and accept the punishment for the error of our ways. Thanks for clearing me up.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Mule

Your logic knocked me out of my chair I see the light now. We should believe that they are telling us the truth and accept the punishment for the error of our ways. Thanks for clearing me up.

So you are saying that they lie?

So then everything in the poll is BS?

Even the stuff that supports your position?

[DanL911sc]

Originally Posted by Mule

Your logic knocked me out of my chair I see the light now. We should believe that they are telling us the truth and accept the punishment for the error of our ways. Thanks for clearing me up.

Wow... paranoid much?

[Mule]

Originally Posted by DanL911sc

Wow... paranoid much?

Actually Dan, it's called informed.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

So you are saying that they lie?

So then everything in the poll is BS?

Even the stuff that supports your position?

Try another approach, show me a group they get along with?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

So you are saying that they lie?

So then everything in the poll is BS?

Even the stuff that supports your position?

let's not inject logic into this argument now!

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

let's not inject logic into this argument now!

Maybe you can show me somebody who they get along with.