Wrong about what ?
That YOU and some others don't think Brady belongs up there with Montana ?
There are plenty that do (John Madden for one) and time will tell.
I think you're wrong - put that in your chowda and smoke it ( instead of whatever you are smoking now)

Anyone remember JOES first SB ?
I think it was similar to the Pats and Brady's first. He didn't dominate it. Just a solid steady leader. The D and that goal line stand sure helped.
In fact Brady's career reminds me a lot of JOES - though Brady didn't get an All World receiver until this year.

By the way it was Walsh , not JOE that invented the West Coast Offense .
And Unitas did what JOE did, plus he called his own plays, and by all accounts was the toughest SOB on the field in an era of TOUGH SOB's , and open face helmets and no "please don't hurt the QB crap".
But there is more than one way to be The Greatest of an era - and Graham and Unitas and Montana are certainly EQUALS.
Brady, you aren't convinced ? No big deal.
Just keep watching.

I LOVE IT!

thats EXACTLY what i was saying earlier...... JCF, i was you 20 years ago!..... no one was giving joe his props because at that time WE were winning just like the pats are winning now.

funny how history repeats itself..... at THAT time JOE wasnt getting the props he gets now execpt for us that were there..... NOW brady isnt getting the props from us who havent shared your experience with his career.... as i mentioned earlier its nice to see the props JOE gets from people all over!

i would venture to say brady will have the same fate and be recognized for his work at the office, JUST like JOE does.... it takes time i suppose.

your brady is our JOE,... and in 20 years it will be freddy football that some other pelican is going to be passionately defending... im sure of it.

im glad i got to see joe play, and im glad you got to see brady play.

Freddy Football is only good cause his receivers and offensive line make him look good.

Actually, it was Sid Gillman who created it in San Diego in the 60's, and it was called Air Coryell. It was Bernie Kosar who called it the "West Coast Offense" hen he saw Walsh running it in SF. Al Davis worked under Sid Gillman in SD and took the concept to Oakland.

SmileWavy

I thought "Air Coryell" was with Dan Fouts ?
But certainly it must have earlier roots - Nothing new under the sun.

PRE- H20 ? - YEAH BUD ! ;) :D

Dan Fouts was the QB who ran it under Coryell. Gillman was the coach of the earlier AFL Chargers who created it. Coryell retained it when he took over.

20 - 14 lead
SECOND and 15 ?

That's your criteria for greatest of all time blowing 'em away ????
Sounds like Brady in that game with the Dolphins - that was THIRD and 16.

Montana- One of the Greatest of 'em all.
But it took a while for everyone to see it (me included) - it was no more evident in that 1st SB than it was with Brady.

Yeah - YOU are so much more qualified than John Madden as far as anything football - HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

John Elway deserved to win a Superbowl and he finally did. Good for him. It's an illustration of just the opposite of what I'm talking about. Elway's passing arm was a CANNON compared to Montana's. Statistically, Elway is probably the better quarterback. But my dream team would be led by Montana. Joe Montana never lost a Superbowl. 4-0.

Let's go at this another way. Many of you have attended professional football games. When you sit in the stands, you have an excellent view of the pass routes as they develop on the defensive backfield. It is frustrating to watch, because very frequently there is a receiver open that the quarterback does not see. Joe Montana threw the ball to those guys. It was as if the play was happening in slow motion to Joe. Those of you who think he made a living throwing to Rice were not paying attention. Rice was one of the receivers. It so happens he was one of the tallest and best open-field runners but Montana delivered the ball to Clark on more than just one touchdown pass against Dallas.

Brady just completed the GREATEST statistical regular season any QB has ever had in history of any league. 50TD passes, 117+ rating, only 8 piks, 69% completion etc etc.
His team went 16-0....
If they win the SB this season, that is 4 rings for Brady in 7 years.
That would put him every level as great as Montana...and that is NOT taking anything away from
Montana's great accomplishments.

Interesting that Montana didnt really pass much at ND... Rick Leach at Michigan in that era had far better passing stats...proof again that college doesnt necessarily translate into the pros

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Sonic

+ 1, +1

In all seriousness, Montana's fame is from his cerebral abilities. He wasn't the most accurate or all that athletic. He just did smart stuff all the time- he had the skill to read defenses.

Jerry Rice is my favorite player of all time though- that guy was always a class act, and how many times, when the clock needed to be stopped, did he get open with his TOES barely in bounds, tipping out and reaching, catch the ball, and go down out of bounds? He was just a joy to watch.

I like to watch SMART football. Supposedly, a couple of weeks ago some guy took at knee at the 1 yardline rather than score, becuase that way victory was guaranteed (because they could run out the clock). Somebody should give that guy a medal- play to win. The glory is in winning.

For Brady to match Montana, not only will he have to win another superbowl, but also throw 12-14 for 418 yards w/ 5TD's and somehow get one pick off his record.

Joe Montana is head and shoulders above where Brady is.

Proof also that greatness and statistical success are not the same thing. Montana's performance at ND in general, and specifically his performance a certain 1979 Cotton Bowl. Earlier in his career at ND, Montana was a third and fourth string QB that, when brought into the game in the final minutes, would reliably overcome a two or three-touchdown deficit to win the game. In the 1979 Cotton Bowl, he was benched with hypothermia but overcame that by drinking hot boullion. In the last 7:37 of the game, he overcame a 34-12 deficit and won the game on a perfect touchdown pass with no time remaining.

That's Joe Montana. Brady's numbers are, no doubt, more impressive than Montana's. Many quarterbacks' numbers are. But nobody wins big games with the reliability and panache of Joe Montana.

BTW, I think Montana holds post-season records for TD passes (45), passing yards (5,772). In four Superbowls, he went 83 for 122 for 1,142 yards and 11 touchdowns with no interceptions and a "passer rating" of 127.8. And we're arguing whether he was the greatest or not.

Let's just say Mr. Brady has his work cut out for him.

Brady has a long way to go, and Montana was already eclipsed. Brett Favre is the greatest QB in the history of the league by the only statistic that matters - wins.

Otto Graham; 10 years in Pro football - 10 championship games - 7 wins.
Not too shabby either.

I haven't heard anyone argue that JOE isn't right up there.

I do agree Brady needs one more title to make his case - a couple would make it beyond question. Those guys at the top set the bar awful high.

......It's hard to reply with that avatar bouncing around like that......
Where was I ?.....

Oh - How many of those wins do you think Favre would trade for a couple more Super Bowls ?

The most amazing catch I ever saw was when Rice was running down the right sideline and got ahead of his defender. With Montana at QB, it was going to be a TD, and the defender knew it. So he grabbed Jerry's left arm long before the ball got there and tried to bring Jerry down. Better to take the penalty. Jerry just kept on moving downfield, reached out with his one free hand and plucked the ball right out of the air, one-handed, as the ball was sailing beyond his reach. He dropped the defender like a bad habit and ran 70 yards for the TD. The ref had his hand on the flag but put it back. No need.

Will we ever again see a trio of Montana, Rice, and Ronnie Lott on the same team? Best QB, best receiver, best defensive back ever.

The beauty of Montana to Rice is that people in the stands knew what was coming. Jerry would make his cut, looking up the field. Joe would look off the defense, and toss the ball before Rice ever looked his way. Jerry would turn his head, grab the ball in stride & wave bye bye. No 120 mph fastball ala Elway or Favre, just pick it out of the air & head north.

Roman Gabriel to Jack Snow, flag route, finger-tip catch...

But Joe? It can't be about who is better or worse, different eras different players. He was the best in his time...that certain something.