Interesting demographics on Mac users

[island911]

Originally Posted by Moses

BootCamp or Parallels. Your intel-based Mac will boot Windows as a native OS. Anything that will work on a PC works on a Mac.

Sure, it will works. But most won't work well. For example, a windows based 3-d engineering program like SolidWorks (www.solidworks.com) will run emulated . . . with a performance hit of ~50% ... and with graphics that look like hell.

Clearly, Apple want's to prop up the notion of Windows apps running well on the Mac OS. .. but that is just not the reality.

[TheMentat]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Yeah, I hear that. I have been starving for years but am so attached to how cool my Mac makes me that I figured it was worth it.

It's just so difficult to get by on a 6 figure salary. Personally grossed north of $200k last year from work done on my Mac.

Gave my overflow work to a bud, put $130k in his pocket for FY07. Kept 10% for the lead and managing the client.

Worked on a rush project Fri/Sat. Gave the client a deal on it. $10k for two days work. Really sucks.

Times are so tough.

I'm sure I speak for everybody here when I say:

"We're very happy for you!"

[Moses]

Originally Posted by Moses

Your intel-based Mac will boot Windows as a native OS.

Who said anything about an emulation program?

[kstar]

Originally Posted by island911

Sure, it will works. But most won't work well. For example, a windows based 3-d engineering program like SolidWorks (www.solidworks.com) will run emulated . . . with a performance hit of ~50% ... and with graphics that look like hell.

Clearly, Apple want's to prop up the notion of Windows apps running well on the Mac OS. .. but that is just not the reality.

How many times do we need to tell you?

It's not "emulation" - it's "virtualization". There's a huge difference, especially on software that runs on the same hardware with the only difference being the OS like most PC vs. Mac situations.

Maybe you'll get it this time?

Emulation involves emulating the virtual machines hardware and architecture. Microsoft's VirtualPC is an example of an emulation based virtual machine. It emulates the x86 architecture, and adds a layer of indirection and translation at the guest level, which means VirtualPC can run on different chipsets, like the PowerPC, in addition to the x86 architecture. However, that layer of indirection slows down the virtual machine significantly.

Virtualization, on the other hand, involves simply isolating the virtual machine within memory. The host instance simply passes the execution of the guest virtual machine directly to the native hardware. Without the translation layer, the performance of a virtualization virtual machine is much faster and approaches native speeds. However, since the native hardware is used, the chipset of the virtual machine must match. Usually, this means the Intel x86 architecture. VMWare is an example of this type of application for Windows.

Source: http://blog.1530technologies.com/2006/08/virtual_machine.html


Seriously, you guys need to back up your anti-Mac dogma with something solid.

Best,

Kurt

[Mule]

Dollars for starters. Mac prices are ridiculous. So a Mac notebook edges out a Dell by 1 point & how many dollars? Accessories are extremely limited compared to a PC & often twice the price. Repairs (yeah , I know they survive nuclear blasts) are ridiculous because everything is proprietary. And what does all this money buy me, in addition to the coolness?

[kstar]

Mule, 10 years ago you would have been right.

The inside of a Mac is about the same as the inside of a PC these days, even the Intel chips. I do not know of any proprietary parts in a Mac; if you do I would honestly be interested to know what they are.

Macs and PCs are price about evenly when you go feature for feature.

What accessories? Macs have USB and Firewire like PCs, and run most periphs that PCs run.

The Mac vs. PC debate should really be focused on OS X vs. Windows because that is where the material differences are, IMO.

Best,

Kurt

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Mule

Dollars for starters. Mac prices are ridiculous. So a Mac notebook edges out a Dell by 1 point & how many dollars? Accessories are extremely limited compared to a PC & often twice the price. Repairs (yeah , I know they survive nuclear blasts) are ridiculous because everything is proprietary. And what does all this money buy me, in addition to the coolness?

Not correct.

[Mule]

Correct!

[Seric]

You know what's always irritated me about the whole "Mac vs. PC" thing? PC stands for Personal Computer, which is what a Mac is as well. Primarily, PC means Windows computer, so why couldn't they of just said "Mac vs. Windows"? Sad thing is, I've been saying this since 1995.

Meh.

Stupid.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by Mule

Correct!

Are you going religious on us now?

Best,

Kurt

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Mule

Correct!

See not so hard to agree with me.

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

Mule, 10 years ago you would have been right.

The inside of a Mac is about the same as the inside of a PC these days, even the Intel chips. I do not know of any proprietary parts in a Mac; if you do I would honestly be interested to know what they are.

Macs and PCs are price about evenly when you go feature for feature.

What accessories? Macs have USB and Firewire like PCs, and run most periphs that PCs run.

The Mac vs. PC debate should really be focused on OS X vs. Windows because that is where the material differences are, IMO.

Best, Kurt

So your best guess is that Mule is only about 10 years behind the curve?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

Mule, 10 years ago you would have been right.

The inside of a Mac is about the same as the inside of a PC these days, even the Intel chips. I do not know of any proprietary parts in a Mac; if you do I would honestly be interested to know what they are.

Macs and PCs are price about evenly when you go feature for feature.

What accessories? Macs have USB and Firewire like PCs, and run most periphs that PCs run.

The Mac vs. PC debate should really be focused on OS X vs. Windows because that is where the material differences are, IMO.

Best,

Kurt

Correct.

[Nathans_Dad]

I'm a Mac convert, made the switch about 2 years ago. I am conservative, have 3 kids, go to work everyday, have never hugged a tree in my life and eat meat on a daily basis.

I am considering voting for Obama over McCain tho...GASP...it must be the MAC!!!!

[Mule]

So all pc accessories work on Macs now too? You may have me here because I wrote off Macs years ago. If this is accurate, which I haven't seen, it's pretty damn recent. I've been using computers longer than some of you have been alive. My original statement was absolutely true for virtually all of that time. If Apple has finally decided to stop drilling their customers, that doesn't incline me to run out & get one.

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

I'm a Mac convert, made the switch about 2 years ago. I am conservative, have 3 kids, go to work everyday, have never hugged a tree in my life and eat meat on a daily basis.

I am considering voting for Obama over McCain tho...GASP...it must be the MAC!!!!

Nah, you're okay N-Dad. My youngest son got into Macs back in the 1980's at SIU. He ended up a computer graphics designer (mostly in advertising) and he's an agnostic (even tho he graduated from a Catholic HS) who is somewhat of a social lib (but who disdains politics) and a few years back he was participating (to his mother's horror) in ToughMan contests!

So compared to him you are abnormally normal!!

[stevepaa]

Originally Posted by Mule

So all pc accessories work on Macs now too? You may have me here because I wrote off Macs years ago. If this is accurate, which I haven't seen, it's pretty damn recent.

not really. I never knew of accessories for Wintel machines that would not connect to a MAC. What accessory was it?

Originally Posted by Mule

I've been using computers longer than some of you have been alive. My original statement was absolutely true for virtually all of that time.

Repairs are virtually non existant on a MAC and easily done if needed. Except for recently, Wintel machines were basically a piece of crap. The back room was full of hardware that broke down, monitors that crapped out, etc within a year of getting the newest 386 machines. That is when I bought my first MAC and it lasted years longer than the 386 was ever used at work. BTW, I first started programming in 1965.

Originally Posted by Mule

If Apple has finally decided to stop drilling their customers, that doesn't incline me to run out & get one.

Short term thinking led many to buy wintel machines.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by stevepaa

not really. I never knew of accessories for Wintel machines that would not connect to a MAC. What accessory was it?



Repairs are virtually non existant on a MAC and easily done if needed. Except for recently, Wintel machines were basically a piece of crap. The back room was full of hardware that broke down, monitors that crapped out, etc within a year of getting the newest 386 machines. That is when I bought my first MAC and it lasted years longer than the 386 was ever used at work. BTW, I first started programming in 1965.




Short term thinking led many to buy wintel machines.

Steve, respectfully, for most of the Mac's lifetime, software availability was MAYBE 10% of that available for a PC. Second, I don't know what kind of machines you were buying. I was in the network business for about 12 years & laser printer supplies & service for another 15. PCs are reliable. A power supply here & there, maybe HD or a video card, but that's about it. Don't tell me Macs don't have these problems. I know better.

If now, Mac has made what amounts to a PC & put their operating system on it, hurray for them. That doesn't make up for 20 yrs of such severe limitations & gross overpricing. Don't believe me? Look at the market. Apple doesn't have 5% by accident.

[Moses]

Originally Posted by Mule

Apple doesn't have 5% by accident.

The other 95% is so... ordinary.

[Mule]

Mac=Starbucks. Over hyped, not that good compared to real quality.