So long, Brett... - Page 2

dd74 · 03-04-2008, 04:54 PM

Favre holds most interceptions too.
(Just being honest...

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Jim Richards · 03-04-2008, 04:58 PM

I'm very happy to have been able to enjoy Favre's excellence (and his brain farts) over the past 16 years. Hopefully, his retirement will be everything he and his family hope it will be.

Red Baron · 03-04-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WI wide body

Wow, those are really good individual statistics. So let's do a comparison:

Most career passing touchdowns: Brett--442. Joe--273
Most career passing yards: Brett--61,655. Joe--40551
Most career pass completions: Brett--5,377 Joe--3409

Joe also had one great season (1987) where he had 31 TD's.
Brett had 30 or more 8 (EIGHT) times.

Actually, if you just took the number of how far Brett is ahead of Joe in each category...it would be a very good career for most QB's!

Oh yeah, Favre also holds the record for consecutive starts by a quarterback with 275 so he must have been a tad tougher than Joe.

Most career Int's too.

I like the heck out of Favre so not throwing salt, just saying.

artplumber · 03-04-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WI wide body

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Oh yeah, Favre also holds the record for consecutive starts by a quarterback with 275 so he must have been a tad tougher than Joe.

Is it possible that the individual accomplishments that you are so focused on, are not the measure of the quarterback? Quarterbacks are looked upon as the leaders of their teams and have those intangibles that allow they & their teams to win. Are you suggesting that Favre never had a good team? The point is that he had many good teams, but did not create as many wins (or superbowl successes) in the same time as Montana. Favre was capable of throwing for 400/gm, but he also could throw incompletions or interceptions at the wrong time too.

Back to the original title. I'm glad he's gone. Rodgers sat on the sideline too long. He may even be an upgrade if he can pass with touch and smarts rather than just be a throwing arm. (Flame suit on)

Jim Richards · 03-04-2008, 05:10 PM

Peter, I'm hoping Rodgers is the guy we need him to be. We'll see how he plays this Fall.

WI wide body · 03-04-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by artplumber

Is it possible that the individual accomplishments that you are so focused on, are not the measure of the quarterback? Quarterbacks are looked upon as the leaders of their teams and have those intangibles that allow they & their teams to win. Are you suggesting that Favre never had a good team? The point is that he had many good teams, but did not create as many wins (or superbowl successes) in the same time as Montana. Favre was capable of throwing for 400/gm, but he also could throw incompletions or interceptions at the wrong time too.

Back to the original title. I'm glad he's gone. Rodgers sat on the sideline too long. He may even be an upgrade if he can pass with touch and smarts rather than just be a throwing arm. (Flame suit on)

Nothing to flame about. Favre's record speaks for itself. You must not realize that Favre is the all-time leader in NFL wins and far ahead of Montana in that stat also.

If you actually think that Favre had the same type of players around him that Bradshaw and Montana did...then you certainly have that right to incorrect.

Just imagine what #4 would have done with Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, John Taylor, Freddy Solomon, Russ Francis, and Dwight Clark catching his tosses. Or with players such as Lynn Swann, Rocky Blier, John Stallwroth, and Franco Harris all together for a season on his team.

KFC911 · 03-04-2008, 05:43 PM

Joe's stats vs Brett's stats...who cares

? Both were the epitome of greatness and the NFL won't be the same next year...

Rearden · 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by artplumber

Is it possible that the individual accomplishments that you are so focused on, are not the measure of the quarterback? Quarterbacks are looked upon as the leaders of their teams and have those intangibles that allow they & their teams to win. Are you suggesting that Favre never had a good team? The point is that he had many good teams, but did not create as many wins (or superbowl successes) in the same time as Montana. Favre was capable of throwing for 400/gm, but he also could throw incompletions or interceptions at the wrong time too.

Back to the original title. I'm glad he's gone. Rodgers sat on the sideline too long. He may even be an upgrade if he can pass with touch and smarts rather than just be a throwing arm. (Flame suit on)

What he said. Brett was fun to watch (sometimes) -- but he was no Joe.

I didn't recall that Favre won only one championship. That's not real impressive for such a long career.

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WI wide body · 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rearden

What he said. Brett was fun to watch (sometimes) --

but he was no Joe.

On that you are correct. Brett never lost a playoff game by 46 points or had two straight playoff games where he did not even score a TD as did Joe.

WI wide body · 03-04-2008, 05:59 PM

Seriously, this might have been a good time for Brett to bail out. He really seemed uncomfortable during the final game at Soldier Field and at the NFC Championship game. When the weather starts to bother him..................

And Rodgers has paid his dues. He seems like a good kid and if he can avoid injury he might be the real deal. Hope springs eternal!

But it sure is gonna be different around here with anyone but #4 under center.

lendaddy · 03-04-2008, 06:06 PM

Favre wasn't even in the top 5 all time QBs but he was tough as nails and was probably the most creative/fearless QB to ever hold a long career.

artplumber · 03-04-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WI wide body

Nothing to flame about. Favre's record speaks for itself. You must not realize that Favre is the all-time leader in NFL wins and far ahead of Montana in that stat also.

If you actually think that Favre had the same type of players around him that Bradshaw and Montana did...then you certainly have that right to incorrect.

Just imagine what #4 would have done with Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, John Taylor, Freddy Solomon, Russ Francis, and Dwight Clark catching his tosses. Or with players such as Lynn Swann, Rocky Blier, John Stallwroth, and Franco Harris all together for a season on his team.

Let's see, Favre in the league for about 5 more years than Montana? He should have more wins and that "streak" otherwise he's even worse than you'd like to believe. Some news, Jerry Rice and John Taylor were not on the first two 49er SB teams. Roger Craig was not on the first SB team. Russ Francis only played the '84 SB. Dwight Clark was gone by the 3rd SB. Just to clarify....

And the flame suit was about being glad that Favre is gone. He was a gunslinger (much like Kenny Stabler), not a consistent winner when it counted.

WI wide body · 03-04-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by artplumber

Let's see, Favre in the league for about 5 more years than Montana? He should have more wins and that "streak"

not a consistent winner when it counted.

What is the longest starting streak that Montana ever had? Not even close to Favre.

As for not being "consistent"...Farve had one losing season in 16 years and he has the most wins of any QB in NFL history. What is your definition of "consistent?"

Just for the record.

artplumber · 03-04-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WI wide body

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As for not being "consistent"...Farve had one losing season in 16 years and he has the most wins of any QB in NFL history. What is your definition of "consistent?"

Just for the record.

4 SB wins in 10 years. Just for the record. Would probably have gotten another without the Roger Craig fumble (remember you thought he helped Montana only win) in the Giants playoff game '90-91. That would have been three SB's in a row and a fifth for Joe Cool.

And just for the record. Ronnie Lott was much more important to the 49ers than any of the offensive guys you mentioned.

WI wide body · 03-04-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by artplumber

4 SB wins in 10 years. Just for the record. Would probably have gotten another without the Roger Craig fumble (remember you thought he helped Montana only win) in the Giants playoff game '90-91. That would have been three SB's in a row and a fifth for Joe Cool.

And just for the record. Ronnie Lott was much more important to the 49ers than any of the offensive guys you mentioned.

I totally agree with you. Include Lott and in fact that entire defensive backfield (the only one ever to have the whole bunch voted to the Pro-Bowl) and all the rest of those players who allowed Joe to play on those winning teams. You are making my point. Thanx!

But as for individual stats, he is not even close to Favre.

artplumber · 03-04-2008, 07:40 PM

You're missing the point. Any of those offensive players were interchangeable and made better by Montana. None of them were there as long as Montana was, and he still won. Favre has had reasonable teammates - including defensively, but did not win it all though he could get to the playoffs. Even one of your examples of a teammate that propped up Montana actually caused him to miss out on a fifth (and 3rd in a row) SB.

But believe what you want to (you obviously want to believe Montana was just average). Everyone else in the NFL/Hall/reporters who would pick Joe Cool (average arm, average speed, average height, but incredible intangibles) must be wrong...

WI wide body · 03-04-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by artplumber

4 SB wins in 10 years. Just for the record. Would probably have gotten another without the Roger Craig fumble (remember you thought he helped Montana only win) in the Giants playoff game '90-91. That would have been three SB's in a row and a fifth for Joe Cool.
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And again just for the record: would you also have given Joe credit for that win if Craig had not fumbled?

That would have been a bit of a stretch since Steve Young was the QB for about the last 10 minutes of the game.

WI wide body · 03-04-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by artplumber

You're missing the point. Any of those offensive players were interchangeable and made better by Montana. None of them were there as long as Montana was, and he still won. Favre has had reasonable teammates - including defensively, but did not win it all though he could get to the playoffs. Even one of your examples of a teammate that propped up Montana actually caused him to miss out on a fifth (and 3rd in a row) SB.

But believe what you want to (you obviously want to believe Montana was just average). Everyone else in the NFL/Hall/reporters who would pick Joe Cool (average arm, average speed, average height, but incredible intangibles) must be wrong...

Of course Montana was one of the top QB's of all time. I never said that Montana was "average"...that is your word and possibly your opinion. What I said was that Montana had great teams around him and the 49er record at that time proves it.

You believe what YOU want. None of Montana's career individual stats match up with Favre. (Check the list a few posts above) That's my point and it's undisputably true.

Mule · 03-04-2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WI wide body

Of course Montana was one of the top QB's of all time. I never said that Montana was "average"...that is your word and possibly your opinion. What I said was that Montana had great teams around him and the 49er record at that time proves it.

You believe what YOU want. None of Montana's career individual stats match up with Favre. (Check the list a few posts above) That's my point and it's undisputably true.

Joe 4 Super Bowl Wins

Favre 1 Super Bowl Win

For maybe the first time ever, You're right, "undisputably true!"

artplumber · 03-04-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WI wide body

.. None of Montana's career individual stats match up with Favre. (Check the list a few posts above) That's my point and it's undisputably true.

Including the interceptions noted above.

Face it, Favre is a tough guy with a good arm. But he was not ever as good a complete QB as Montana.