MSFT invested $150M in AAPL in 1997, which was needed at the time. That investment was cashed out a long time ago.

Currently, Microsoft is not making Office for Mac and licensing ActiveSynch to Apple/iPhone out of charity.

Can you cite even one of the "various reasons" MSFT is paying Apple money?

Also, I think you would literally see a significant change in the world if all Macs were crushed. :D

The market share analogy is just silly as there is no format war. Most markets are not 100% owned by anyone, and other players compete in markets at various levels; see autos, appliances, stereos and toasters.

And, FWIW, Apple makes the bulk of its money from selling computers; the extensions a la iPod are gravy.

Best,

Kurt

An eight core 3.2Ghz Xeon Unix box is not high-end enough for you?

What are HP, Dell and Toshiba making that is so much more "high end"?

Best,

Kurt

Best of luck with that. I spent a combined total of almost 15 hours over a weeklong period, with various Apple Care reps, unsuccessfully trying to track down a new MacBook Pro connection dropout issue with an AirPort Express. Numerous threads in the Apple Support forums on the same issue, (including one with 30,000+ views) which made me a part of the shared community. Maybe that's the "enhancing of one's lifestyle" I was missing.

I did neglect to let them know my income bracket, however, so undoubtedly the problem was likely my fault. Non-disclosure, and all that...





Tim

Desktops and laptops are about 50% of their revenue.

I had the same problem at home when we first bought our Macbooks home - existing network, with existing Windows desktop - fixed it by upgrading the Airport firmware and the notebook Airport software.

I love Macs and would never go back to using Windows (have since moved to Linux for my desktop) but to assume that Macs are 100% problem-free is unrealistic - I constantly will find small things coming up with my Macs that I would have to research up on the net and fix manually. The overall best thing about Macs for me is the fact that I don't have to maintain firewall, antivirus or spyware programs like I do on Windows, and the community that is out there for Mac users. :) Kind of similar to the community for Porsche drivers. ;)

Thats not a "unix" box, that's an x86 flavor linux/bsd box, "unix" is an incorrect term. Unix is non-stop, itanium, hp ux, aix, solaris, etc. And an eight core box is just bout nothing in the server world, thats a two processors with four cores. What mule is talking about is a 8 to 16 physical processors, more in the range of 16 or 32 cores, those are high end.

That would be THE single WORST scenario for MSFT.

MSFT absolutely need another OS vendor in the market with enough share to prevent the Fed from considering them a Monopoly and forcing them to break up.

ANd like it or not Apple is the only other player with enough consumer share to prevent that.

That is one of the reasons that MSFT gave Apple $150 M.

At the time Apple was in trouble and the Fed were all over MSFT with various anti-trust actions.

If Apple had gone down the crapper then MSFT as you know it today would probably not exist.

We are not talking about servers. Workstations.

And yes you can get 8 processor workstations but if you guys think an Apple is expensive......

I don't think that's what he meant. The world relies on Wintel products to function. Apple makes great toys.

i was just talking on a functional level , not economical level from MS the perspective...

Thats what I also call a high end workstation, 2003 and 8 physical procs, 64GB memory, use it to crunch code. The issues was "unix" workstation, thats a sparc, etc. not an x86 based platform.

Maybe this will help you put it in perspective.
http://www.sun.com/desktop/index.jsp

OS X is certified Unix at the OS level.

XServe can be configured to run as many OS X Servers as you want - run all the time 24/7. Maybe I wasn't using the the correct "unix" terminology.

I know that Virginia Tech is running a cluster of over 1000 of the older G5 based XServes. It still may be the fastest supercomputer at any university, but I don't know the current status.

I found the link - 7th fastest supercomputer in the world as well (edit: this is a dated ranking!)
http://www.apple.com/science/profiles/vatech2/

That seems high-end to me, or are we tripping over semantics?

Best,

Kurt

I'll take the Ultra 45, been wanting to get my hands on one of those.

What a bunch of geeks!

This should get some cyber fists flying: Whose better, Kirk or Picard?

1 cluster of 1000 old G5's
does not make 1 high end unix machine

the individual nodes are still low end old mac's


btw, you're love this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../Top500_OS.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:T...procfamily.png

Those are not nearly as 'cool' looking as my mac. :rolleyes:

This may help you and others to see that Macs are not toys:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1204840159.jpg

http://www.apple.com/science/profiles/colsa/

Best,

Kurt

De regulation is a functional hit.

The company no longer exists.

It becomes multiple separate businesses.

Thanks for making an excellent point!

Windows and OSX hardly even make a curve. :D

Best,

Kurt