Why do some people hate Apple/Mac?

[kstar]

Originally Posted by svandamme

your point being?

the world would keep working if you take all mac's and crush em
but i guarantee you it would be serious impact if you took all pc's off the market tomorrow...

superior technology is nothing if doesn't mean the superiority grabs the superior market share

Betamax anyone?


sure Apple is doing well as a company
but let's face it , without the iPods and other lifestyle gadget's, without MS paying good money to Apple for various reasons
it would have been a different story

MSFT invested $150M in AAPL in 1997, which was needed at the time. That investment was cashed out a long time ago.

Currently, Microsoft is not making Office for Mac and licensing ActiveSynch to Apple/iPhone out of charity.

Can you cite even one of the "various reasons" MSFT is paying Apple money?

Also, I think you would literally see a significant change in the world if all Macs were crushed.

The market share analogy is just silly as there is no format war. Most markets are not 100% owned by anyone, and other players compete in markets at various levels; see autos, appliances, stereos and toasters.

And, FWIW, Apple makes the bulk of its money from selling computers; the extensions a la iPod are gravy.

Best,

Kurt

[kstar]

Originally Posted by Mule

Really, their 4 & 8 processor models would be???????????

An eight core 3.2Ghz Xeon Unix box is not high-end enough for you?

What are HP, Dell and Toshiba making that is so much more "high end"?

Best,

Kurt

[tchanson]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

Another.

I hooked up a wireless WiFi router at my in laws for them. I brought my laptop and set it up, all was good. I double checked by connecting via my Smartphone, again all is good.

My wife shows up with her MacBook....no connecto el senorita. She says it usually connects automatically but for some reason it sees this network but won't connect.

This is still unresolved.

An otherwise simple task....

Best of luck with that. I spent a combined total of almost 15 hours over a weeklong period, with various Apple Care reps, unsuccessfully trying to track down a new MacBook Pro connection dropout issue with an AirPort Express. Numerous threads in the Apple Support forums on the same issue, (including one with 30,000+ views) which made me a part of the shared community. Maybe that's the "enhancing of one's lifestyle" I was missing.

I did neglect to let them know my income bracket, however, so undoubtedly the problem was likely my fault. Non-disclosure, and all that...





Tim

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

And, FWIW, Apple makes the bulk of its money from selling computers; the extensions a la iPod are gravy.

Best,

Kurt

Desktops and laptops are about 50% of their revenue.

[Porsche]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

Another.

I hooked up a wireless WiFi router at my in laws for them. I brought my laptop and set it up, all was good. I double checked by connecting via my Smartphone, again all is good.

My wife shows up with her MacBook....no connecto el senorita. She says it usually connects automatically but for some reason it sees this network but won't connect.

This is still unresolved.

An otherwise simple task....

I had the same problem at home when we first bought our Macbooks home - existing network, with existing Windows desktop - fixed it by upgrading the Airport firmware and the notebook Airport software.

I love Macs and would never go back to using Windows (have since moved to Linux for my desktop) but to assume that Macs are 100% problem-free is unrealistic - I constantly will find small things coming up with my Macs that I would have to research up on the net and fix manually. The overall best thing about Macs for me is the fact that I don't have to maintain firewall, antivirus or spyware programs like I do on Windows, and the community that is out there for Mac users. Kind of similar to the community for Porsche drivers.

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

An eight core 3.2Ghz Xeon Unix box is not high-end enough for you?

What are HP, Dell and Toshiba making that is so much more "high end"?

Best,

Kurt

Thats not a "unix" box, that's an x86 flavor linux/bsd box, "unix" is an incorrect term. Unix is non-stop, itanium, hp ux, aix, solaris, etc. And an eight core box is just bout nothing in the server world, thats a two processors with four cores. What mule is talking about is a 8 to 16 physical processors, more in the range of 16 or 32 cores, those are high end.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by svandamme

the world would keep working if you take all mac's and crush em
but i guarantee you it would be serious impact if you took all pc's off the market tomorrow...

That would be THE single WORST scenario for MSFT.

MSFT absolutely need another OS vendor in the market with enough share to prevent the Fed from considering them a Monopoly and forcing them to break up.

ANd like it or not Apple is the only other player with enough consumer share to prevent that.

That is one of the reasons that MSFT gave Apple $150 M.

At the time Apple was in trouble and the Fed were all over MSFT with various anti-trust actions.

If Apple had gone down the crapper then MSFT as you know it today would probably not exist.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Scott R

Thats not a "unix" box, that's an x86 flavor linux/bsd box, "unix" is an incorrect term. Unix is non-stop, itanium, hp ux, aix, solaris, etc. And an eight core box is just bout nothing in the server world, thats a two processors with four cores. What mule is talking about is a 8 to 16 physical processors, more in the range of 16 or 32 cores, those are high end.

We are not talking about servers. Workstations.

And yes you can get 8 processor workstations but if you guys think an Apple is expensive......

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

That would be THE single WORST scenario for MSFT.

MSFT absolutely need another OS vendor in the market with enough share to prevent the Fed from considering them a Monopoly and forcing them to break up.

ANd like it or not Apple is the only other player with enough consumer share to prevent that.

That is one of the reasons that MSFT gave Apple $150 M.

At the time Apple was in trouble and the Fed were all over MSFT with various anti-trust actions.

If Apple had gone down the crapper then MSFT as you know it today would probably not exist.

I don't think that's what he meant. The world relies on Wintel products to function. Apple makes great toys.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

That would be THE single WORST scenario for MSFT.

MSFT absolutely need another OS vendor in the market with enough share to prevent the Fed from considering them a Monopoly and forcing them to break up.

ANd like it or not Apple is the only other player with enough consumer share to prevent that.

That is one of the reasons that MSFT gave Apple $150 M.

At the time Apple was in trouble and the Fed were all over MSFT with various anti-trust actions.

If Apple had gone down the crapper then MSFT as you know it today would probably not exist.

i was just talking on a functional level , not economical level from MS the perspective...

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

We are not talking about servers. Workstations.

And yes you can get 8 processor workstations but if you guys think an Apple is expensive......

Thats what I also call a high end workstation, 2003 and 8 physical procs, 64GB memory, use it to crunch code. The issues was "unix" workstation, thats a sparc, etc. not an x86 based platform.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

An eight core 3.2Ghz Xeon Unix box is not high-end enough for you?

What are HP, Dell and Toshiba making that is so much more "high end"?

Best,

Kurt

Maybe this will help you put it in perspective.
http://www.sun.com/desktop/index.jsp

[kstar]

Originally Posted by Scott R

Thats not a "unix" box, that's an x86 flavor linux/bsd box, "unix" is an incorrect term. Unix is non-stop, itanium, hp ux, aix, solaris, etc. And an eight core box is just bout nothing in the server world, thats a two processors with four cores. What mule is talking about is a 8 to 16 physical processors, more in the range of 16 or 32 cores, those are high end.

OS X is certified Unix at the OS level.

XServe can be configured to run as many OS X Servers as you want - run all the time 24/7. Maybe I wasn't using the the correct "unix" terminology.

I know that Virginia Tech is running a cluster of over 1000 of the older G5 based XServes. It still may be the fastest supercomputer at any university, but I don't know the current status.

I found the link - 7th fastest supercomputer in the world as well (edit: this is a dated ranking!)
http://www.apple.com/science/profiles/vatech2/

That seems high-end to me, or are we tripping over semantics?

Best,

Kurt

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by Mule

Maybe this will help you put it in perspective.
http://www.sun.com/desktop/index.jsp

I'll take the Ultra 45, been wanting to get my hands on one of those.

[the]

What a bunch of geeks!

This should get some cyber fists flying: Whose better, Kirk or Picard?

[svandamme]

1 cluster of 1000 old G5's
does not make 1 high end unix machine

the individual nodes are still low end old mac's


btw, you're love this

[71T Targa]

Originally Posted by Mule

Maybe this will help you put it in perspective.
http://www.sun.com/desktop/index.jsp

Those are not nearly as 'cool' looking as my mac.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by Mule

Maybe this will help you put it in perspective.
http://www.sun.com/desktop/index.jsp

This may help you and others to see that Macs are not toys:



http://www.apple.com/science/profiles/colsa/

Best,

Kurt

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by svandamme

i was just talking on a functional level , not economical level from MS the perspective...

De regulation is a functional hit.

The company no longer exists.

It becomes multiple separate businesses.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by svandamme

1 cluster of 1000 old G5's
does not make 1 high end unix machine

the individual nodes are still low end old mac's


btw, you're love this

Thanks for making an excellent point!

Windows and OSX hardly even make a curve.

Best,

Kurt