Why do some people hate Apple/Mac?

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

I hate to make car analogies, but I guess you just somewhat described Apple and Porsche.

Best,

Kurt

well no, because Porsche at least in it's market
is on top of it's playing field

it's the top earning car manufacturer
it's the leading edge in terms of production car technology
it's competing at the top in terms of prototype racing lmp2
Porsche buys massive shares of other , bigger companies with cash money instead of getting handouts from other companies

Porsche actually dominates in many areas
Apple... does in the "hype" area... but that only takes them so far now does it

[kstar]

Check out Netcraft - I think there would be a major meltdown if all the Linux/Unix/BSD servers went down.

I agree, Mac is more-or-less a box like most PCs on the inside that boots OSX.

But to claim that OSX is for mostly computer challenged folks is honestly unfair.

FWIW, I don't agree with and dislike it when Mac folks claim superiority just from using a Mac. It is just a computer. The Mac ad campaign has not helped things.

But to flippantly dismiss a really good OS just because you dislike Mac folk is silly. And obviously Windows boxes are getting the job done for many many folks.

Best and peace!

Kurt

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Mule

Yes, I absolutely am.

So I guess if you own a Sony, Toshiba, Acer, Lenovo or any of the other brands that have less market share than Apple you must REALLY be a moron.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by svandamme

well no, because Porsche at least in it's market
is on top of it's playing field

it's the top earning car manufacturer
it's the leading edge in terms of production car technology
it's competing at the top in terms of prototype racing lmp2
Porsche buys massive shares of other , bigger companies with cash money instead of getting handouts from other companies

Porsche actually dominates in many areas
Apple... does in the "hype" area... but that only takes them so far now does it

Well, you have now moved the goal posts, added some subjective judgments . . . and basically recast your position.

You never addressed my previous query of the money MSFT gave to AAPL for "various reasons" now you speak of "handouts from other companies".

I guess I could make claims about Apple too; recent stock growth, cash on hand ($18B), "leading edge" in software design, dominance in MP3 market, fastest growing share of computer market, fasting growing smart phone maket-share, computer maker with largest overall growth YTY, iPhone at 71% of all phone web access, etc.

But honestly I don't think I can have a reasonable discussion with you. Sorry,

Best,

Kurt

[SlowToady]

Or in an even higher income bracket!

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

So I guess if you own a Sony, Toshiba, Acer, Lenovo or any of the other brands that have less market share than Apple you must REALLY be a moron.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by SlowToady

Or in an even higher income bracket!

LOL. Maybe.

[stevepaa]

Originally Posted by beepbeep

Frankly, I see Mac's as niche products. It's like comparing a VW Beetle or Toyota Prius to F150 Truck. It's nice and it has built-in flower vase but in the end, when you need to haul ten sheets of plywood, you use the truck.

There fixed the analogy for you. MACs were the computer of use at Lockheed unitl we were taken over by Martin and they switched us to Wintel machines. Wintels do not do anything more than the MAC ever did, but they do require a complete IT department to support us now.

The funny part is, Mac's are nothing more nowadays than styled PC's that boot OS X. There will always be a niche for Mac's (mostly for computer-challenged customers)

which are the 99% of the population.

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by stevepaa

There fixed the analogy for you. MACs were the computer of use at Lockheed unitl we were taken over by Martin and they switched us to Wintel machines. Wintels do not do anything more than the MAC ever did, but they do require a complete IT department to support us now.



which are the 99% of the population.

Martin was Mac before PC, worked for Apple fixing laptops in the Littleton Colorado facility, thats a complete farce. The only reason they had less of an IT staff is they were doing less with the equipment, and WE Apple did their support at an very high charge rate. When they ditched the Mac's they called in M2I, I was on the team that converted mac files to PC all night long, was good times.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

iPhone at 71% of all phone web access, etc.

But honestly I don't think I can have a reasonable discussion with you. Sorry,

Best,

Kurt

This gets crazier as it goes. So Cingular & the iphone have 71% of the phone web access & Verizon & all the other carriers + other cingular phones have 29%? Wow!

Look, first Apple had the 68000 chip & scsi drives & we were told of their infinite superiority. Then came the PowerPC & we heard the same tale. Now they are building intel boxes w/ sata drives. Sounds like a PC. But they're not pc's!!! They cost twice as much & they never break or go down in value. Besides, they have the world's best OS. Well, all of that is crap! Apple is a boutique computer, no more, no less. It's like Louis Vitton. I wouldnt wear that crap to change my oil. But some people pay big money for it. Hey, this is America. Do whatever you want. But when you start to tell me about the wonderment of Louis Vitton, or Apple, don't be surprised if you get a big belch in response.

[stevepaa]

Originally Posted by Scott R

Martin was Mac before PC, worked for Apple fixing laptops in the Littleton Colorado facility, thats a complete farce. The only reason they had less of an IT staff is they were doing less with the equipment, and WE Apple did their support at an very high charge rate. When they ditched the Mac's they called in M2I, I was on the team that converted mac files to PC all night long, was good times.

Don't know about Martin, but we engineers are not doing anything more with Wintels than we did with MACs and when we kept on resisting the change we were told flat out by the President to basically STFU, he had made up his mind and that was all there was to say about it.

[dd74]

So why do some people hate Porsche 928s?

[Mule]

V8 envy!

[Paul_Heery]

Originally Posted by dd74

So why do some people hate Porsche 928s?

I think you meant to post this in the Pontiac Aztek thread.

[Rearden]

Originally Posted by Won

but every time I gave one a try I honestly didn't find both the OS and programs intuitive at all. However, no Mac user would ever agree with me, would they? For them it always makes sense and I should just go back to my Windows.

I think you can install Leopard on non-Apple Intel PC, can't you? To me the advantage of using the cute white box now, other than having one less mouse button and limited selection of hardware, is that you can say you own an Apple product, therefore your iZealotry and PC bashing is perfectly justified now.

My thoughts exactly. I always found Apple software to be too buggy (Force Quit was way too common) and the interface never made sense to me.

[Mule]

And if you ever had the misfortune to print something, you had time to knit a sweater or something.

[Gogar]

In a way, Macs = Porsches where Windows = American Cars.

Trying to explain why your Mac is cooler than a Windows PC is just as difficult as explaining why your 993 is so much cooler than a C5 Corvette.

[Scott at Pelican Parts]

Originally Posted by Gogar

In a way, Macs = Porsches where Windows = American Cars.

Trying to explain why your Mac is cooler than a Windows PC is just as difficult as explaining why your 993 is so much cooler than a C5 Corvette.

That's stretching it. I'm working on my Mac / Boxster analogy, girls and hairdressers, can't even see the engine if you look (most don't). But then I remember that a Boxster tiptronic whipped me at Streets of Willow last week

Gogar, your quote reminds me of a road test of 2.2L Porsche 911s in an issue of Road & Track in the early 70s. They conclude with: the Porsche 911 offers "performance on the order of an American Supercar but without the stigma of low cost."

[Won]

Originally Posted by Gogar

In a way, Macs = Porsches where Windows = American Cars.

Trying to explain why your Mac is cooler than a Windows PC is just as difficult as explaining why your 993 is so much cooler than a C5 Corvette.

But I don't want to listen to "Porsche owners" kindly "explaining" to me why the 993 is so much cooler than a C5 'Vette every single time someone mentions "cars", even when nobody is asking specifically for "Porsche" advice.

Q: I found a pin hole leak on my radiator. What should I do?
A: Why, go buy a 993!

Q: How do I rebuild/replace (insert part here) on my (insert car here)?
A: Don't bother, it's a POS and it will break eventually. Why don't you just get a 993? Everything about that car makes perfect sense, starting with the engine being in the trunk!

If you don't believe me, go back and read any of "car" (read: computer) related topics on PPOT.



PS As I was typing it just occured to me that the Mac = Porsche analogy is in fact pretty accurate, even down to little details like "everything being intuitive".

[kstar]

Originally Posted by Mule

This gets crazier as it goes. So Cingular & the iphone have 71% of the phone web access & Verizon & all the other carriers + other cingular phones have 29%? Wow!

Look, first Apple had the 68000 chip & scsi drives & we were told of their infinite superiority. Then came the PowerPC & we heard the same tale. Now they are building intel boxes w/ sata drives. Sounds like a PC. But they're not pc's!!! They cost twice as much & they never break or go down in value. Besides, they have the world's best OS. Well, all of that is crap! Apple is a boutique computer, no more, no less. It's like Louis Vitton. I wouldnt wear that crap to change my oil. But some people pay big money for it. Hey, this is America. Do whatever you want. But when you start to tell me about the wonderment of Louis Vitton, or Apple, don't be surprised if you get a big belch in response.

The 71% number for cell/smart phone web traffic comes from Steve Jobs at today's iPhone SDK meeting. I haven't found the source, but I'll let you now. Of course this number will be disputable and the source can be questioned, but I don't doubt the percentage is high, maybe not an absolute 71% though, maybe higher. If you've spent some time on a iPhone it is easy to use the web a lot as it has a regular browser, not like browsers on most phones. I'd also bet the remaining percentage is heavily slanted to Nokia sets.

The rest of your rant doesn't appear to have anything substantial, FWIW. Claiming all Macs cost significantly more than Windows boxes is a red herring.

Go to Dell.com and configure a box then to Apple.com and configure a similar config and get back to me. You can also look at similarly configged systems here: http://systemshootouts.org/

Wasn't it only a short time ago you claimed Macs were filled with proprietary parts? And your slow printing claim below is not even of value as an anecdote.

You are welcome to your opinions, of course.

Best,

Kurt

[lendaddy]

All smart phones have a normal browser now. AFAIK