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iPhone basically runs the desktop version of Safari sans Flash. Best,. Kurt edit: The iPhone OS is basically a stripped down version of OS X, but very similar at the core. Last edited by kstar; 03-06-2008 at 06:15 PM.. |
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I have a Samsung sch-i760 and I run Windows Explorer. I surf just as I do on my computer. There are some scripts like real time scores and such that don't work here and there (could be a plug in but I don't care that much) but otherwise I can go everywhere and view normal web pages. I also stream Youtube etc.
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03-06-2008, 06:19 PM
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FWIW, I do not claim the Mac/OS X is a perfect system - I hope I am not coming across that way. I do have problems with WiFi from time to time through my 2Wire router and other problems that I have learned to remedy since I've used OS X since its release.
I don't doubt that Windows is an effective OS for millions and millions of folks. You won't find me barking in earnest that Windows sucks here or to my "PC" friends. I also find some Mac user's comments grating. But, honestly, some folks with their baseless criticism of Mac/OS X are no less shrill than the Mac fanboys bowing to Jobs and accepting their machine as the talisman of cool. Best Kurt |
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03-06-2008, 06:24 PM
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Information Junky
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web?
 Good gawd ... why wasn't this over with the Hitler comment? Pocket PC's and smart phones have been web-able for ever. It's just that it's not the best tool for the job. ...it's something you use in a pinch. You Apple fanboys are cuckoo for coco-puffs for your lobster-clawing HVGA touch-screens. --that is HALF VGA! ...you get the page and have to lobster-claw your way to part of the text. Oooohhh . . looky what I can do on my iPhone.... Uh, yeah; old news. Maybe in a few years the Apple fanboys will stun us all with cut & paste on their iPhones. We'll all act surprised for ya --we know you paid a lot. 
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03-06-2008, 06:27 PM
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The point I am making is that the size of the screen coupled with desktop style browser allows many more people to actually USE the browser on a regular basis. That's why you see iPhones getting ranked extremely high in mobile web browsing. I also heard today that iPhone is the number one mobile browser at BoA - there are more stats like this and I would be happy to dig them up. I think if you had actually spent a week or two using the iPhone some of your opinions might change. Best, Kurt edit: P.S.: You and Mule been comparing notes? 
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I can browse several ways. One screen wide, normal screen size, picsel style(it's like .pdf files where you can touch the screen and drag around the site).
What does an iPhone do different? Is it just the crab claw thing?
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03-06-2008, 06:56 PM
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Most of the smartphones & Pocket PC's let the user link their laptop thru their phone for a remote (cell based)web connection. Do iPhones allow that too? ( not rhetorical --I don't know)
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The SDK was released today and "supported" apps will be released in June. FWIW, I found this from December: Quote:
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Before the iPhone, ("BI" for the religous) I had a Nokia 770. It's about the same size as the iPhone, and is a TS(touchscreen) UI web-browser, but it has 2.5x more pixels (800x480). That was, to me, the bottom end of what a web-device could have. I was very hopeful for the iPhone, and obviously disapointed with the feature-set they delivered. I do give them credit for the fuzzy back-zoom. That does help navigate a page. But still, it is wanting pixels. I imagine that Apple will come out with an "HD iphone" soon . .something closer to vga. It's really kind of a no brainer.
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03-06-2008, 07:16 PM
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Jesus, you guys...
Just buy and use what you like, date the women that you want and let others do what they want. I've had both PCs and Macs; PCs actually do some things better, IMO, including web surfing, but Macs are a lot nicer and don't get viruses. Life is just too short not to have cool gadgets. I like Mac computers, my Blackberry, (more than an iphone), Makita power tools, Persol sunglasses, etc... If I was flusher, I'd have a new GT-3 and a Ducati 1098s. What's wrong with that? I'm also perfectly OK with lesser tools and gadgets if budget won't allow the best. Macs are way nicer boxes and gadgets, in the opinion of the market. If you think it's all marketing, I disagree and can point to countless failed products that were marketed to death.
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03-06-2008, 07:26 PM
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I've read many reviews of the iPhone, both good and bad, and I don't recall any significant criticism of the screen. It's actually the "feature" that most critics and regular folks like. There are plenty of other "real" shortcomings to bark about. The iPhone was remarkably hyped and many folks bought them just to buy them, but there is also a much bigger group of folks, IMO, who wanted the iPhone for its features. It may not fit your needs, or maybe you would never like an Apple product for your own religious reasons, but it's hard to ignore the success of the product. And, according to the reports of search engines like Google, the fanboys and regular customers are using the phones. Of course there will be "new improved" and thinner and faster iPhones in the future. Perhaps HD, 3G and for sure a flood of new apps in June. For some reason, I think if your desired feature set was available you still wouldn't be seen with an Apple product! Take care, Kurt |
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Denis--Funny thing about products in the market place; if anyone compare Apple's to Oranges, make sure that one of the product isn't actually an Apple product. They are a sensitive bunch (bushel?) ..and the easily bruse.
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This speaks moutfuls:
View Trend Windows XP 78.37% View Trend Windows Vista 9.19% View Trend MacIntel 3.59% View Trend Mac OS 3.22% View Trend Windows 2000 2.97%" In the immortal words of Sargent Preston of the Yukon, "This case is closed King."
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Ummm, what is the actual debate here?
high end servers? phones? OS systems? regular desktop hardware? I really think if your going to attack Apple or M$ then just point out what part! Actually, the iphone versus blackberry and Nokia is pretty close to the above sentence. However, do blackberry and Nokia run their own OS? As in build the hardware and OS? I am sorry but if you think about it. Apple and Sun are the only companies that have been brought up (as to my knowledge) that bundle the hardware with an OS. What does M$ have besides XBox ? As much as I like Sun, they had to opensource Solaris to gain lost ground. Do SGI still sell boxes? Regarding boxes. Yes, a do it yourself or regular spec Dell tend to be cheaper than a Apple box. But then again Apple's mini does get close. General comparing really doesn't help this situation. As far as I have seen Apple has had a better resale value than almost any other system besides SGI. I personally don't like the idea that you can swap MoBos on Apple products, this is a bit irratating but then again, you don't have to fiddle with the BIOS. How can you compare WinTel to Apple ????? Can somebody explain this to me! MacOS and OSX are way more different than possibly the NT to Windows difference. M$ just did not give Apple $150mil. They got stock and "code" (insider information). Code which helped stablize some parts of Windows. And in the deal got the DOJ off their backs a bit. I do believe that the $150mil only gave Apple the ability to say ther are "still alive" the cash input wasn't that necessary but rather the press/media buzz was a great more worth than the $150mil. Apple's high end has 2 parts -- servers and workhorses (desktops) I really thought MacOS was a sh!!tty as Windows 95,98, 98Se and Me. Windows NT, 2000 and XP are pretty good but as for OSX is up there with the latest from M$. regarding that graph showing OS'es .... hmmmm very misleading since MacOS more than likely refers to anything pre OSX. I have no clue why OSX is "UNIX" certified. However "unix" certified makes hell of sense. Becareful on the usage of capital letters. OSX is NOT UNIX it is a BSD derivative. I wonder does UNIX still exist as an operating system outside of the lame lawsuits brought up by that company which bought the UNIX name ??? A little more number crunching is really needed. If Linux and BSD are combined the WinTel game is now fighting a B/LAMP like battle. What is the ratio of WinTel vs NixTel + NixPower? This is fair to ask since all flavors of Windoze are grouped together while other systems are normally picked on 1 by 1 Let's back up a little bit here, OSX is really the only company to have brought the "unix derivatives" to the mass market. RedHat didn't Ubuntu sounds like it's making inroads especially if I'm not mistaken because Big Blue is behind it. As for the Windoze thingy. The system itself is really a mess with patches every where to make it work properly (as in no 3rd party shenanigans). I really wish M$ would once and for all just do it right from the ground up and give up like Apple did when then went with the Next OS rebuild. lolo, I wonder what BeOS would have been like I highly respect Billy Boy for his saviness in business and philantrophy, however I didn't like the way he ruled the PC kingdom with an iron fist. Jobso, is what I tend to think a perfectionist who is nailing the market without killing to many companies to get to the top but yet I think is an egolomaniac nut case the rest of the time. So, let's talk OSX vs XP systems. Who copied who ... is mute. They copy each other. period. I find one less intuitive than the other ... errr ... I find putting on my trousers from the left leg to be intuiitive. People get used to one thing or place and then find everything else just that ... intuitive. IMO, I find OSX/MacOS easier to use due to less menu travel and functions being in a slightly more inutuitive location. So, why do you find your favorite more intuitive? The only trouble I have had with peripherals is with Printers. Everything else just plugs and plays including my cam-corder which wasn't supposed to work with my OS. .... go figure I really think that each OS really depends on people's character and their confort zone. It's really hard to jump between 2 systems. Right now XP/Vista and OSX is a UI shoot out. Satbility and what not are there for each system. The virus factor should be taken away since M$ does have a huge market share and previous business practices have made it a unfair target. Which has more applications? That is a really good question! Because you can compile most *nix code for OSX. Propriatary software is definitely in favor of M$. But those really are packages that you'll find sold at Walmart or whatever store you go to. At one time, the theory was brought up that Doze had a lot of software per category that were redundate or offered very little functional difference between each other, ie A1 vs A2 vs A3 vs A4 software. Each did the same with 1 or 2 different being different. I find this now becoming true for OSX. Lot's of shareware out there that do the same thing. Having more game titles ... wow! That really makes a difference. hardware: previously Apple had a huge advantage over almost everybody except for IBM's thinkpad and a few others. Dell is .... errrrr ... Dell Recently, Apple's hardware is on par with other mid-end machines. I have done some things with older Apple hardware that I'm sure I would NOT like to do with what is being sold today. Sorry ... Apple no longer gets points from me in this department. So back to those wonderful numbers. WinDoze is killing every one out there. So what ? Is this because it is a better product? Did people taste test before they bought? I think this is because Billy Boy was a genius and not a fool like Jobso. Jobso and Apple fumbled the ball big time. Look at the infrastructure that M$ built. Very impressive !!! However, I still have that quizzy feeling as if I were driving a 78' Pinto. But this is getting into the round robbin problem. So which is better. Today? Good Dang question! I have no clue. As I wrote above is really a matter of taste for those who know better and a matter of being a lemming for the rest. I have personally had more success with using OSX out of the box with no "adjusting/deleting unwated demo/what ever ware". I have spent about 10 minutes total worrying about my security of my machine compared to the ones in my office. I only reinstall the OS when a new version comes out (point versions are just an update with restart). I don't have to worry about Sony or other companies installing rootkits on my computer. Yes, this time obscurity is a blessing! So, I came to the conclusion, if you are "just a user" OSX might just offer a better overall experience but if you are into DIY then go to a WinTel box. For those who are power users, you'll already have chosen your system based upon usage and feel of the OS. To answer the question: People probably hate Apple/Mac because of those diehard loyalist fanboi's. Everything else is just misleading sales information because most sales staff only know Win/Tel and not Apple/OSX (point of reference would be imagining the guy down at WalMart suggesting a Dell with Ubuntu on it to some guy off the street ... lolo ... not happening tomorrow.) Funny thing is that most Apple Fanbois can give you reasons why they aren't on the Darkside compared to those who bag on them. Anyway, I have clue why I wrote this  If you really want to buy one of those Dell Newspaper advertisment machines. Go do it PS, why does Apple/OS have a bigger share than Vista ????
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