Interesting conversation wih my doc...

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by PBH

I would give up alcohol in minute to avoid diabetes.

Indeed if the tests come back showing signs...well my decision will be made.

[berettafan]

docs-

how does alcohol contribute to diabetes?

[Porsche_monkey]

You're sitting around drinking and getting fat when you should/could be moving and losing weight.

Len - research your fasting blood sugar numbers, do not just accept your doc's 'opinion' of your 'diabetic status'. Or PM me.

[cgarr]

Originally Posted by berettafan

docs-

how does alcohol contribute to diabetes?

Not sure but when my level was on the edge the first thing he asked me was "do you drink a lot?" I quit and my numbers came right back to normal, I also had some problem with blood pancreas enzymes which were also elevated, normal now.

[Tobra]

booze is pure carbs in liquid form, very fast to absorb

Diabetes is a problem with carbohydrate management, essentially, glucose intolerance if you will. In an adult onset diabetic(don't really dig the type 1 and 2 monikers) they tend to be heavy, juvenile tends to be thin, different mechanisms causing the disease, which is why juvenile onset diabetics always have to inject insulin, there body stops making it. Normal person has a drink, blood sugar goes up, their pancreas squirts out some insulin, and in a short period of time, sugar levels go down to normal. If sugar is too low, you mobilize stored carbohydrates. Adult onset diabetics get insulin resistance, takes more to do the same job, so blood sugar levels stay too high for too long, with a cascade of adverse consequences. They also become less sensitive to the symptoms of low sugar levels. Sugar is what your brain runs on, not enough sugar and your brain stops working. Then you either die, or turn into a liberal

Oh, and if you are a diabetic who smokes, you would do better sticking a gun in your mouth instead of a cigarette, far better way to go, if you ask me, and I have seen probably thousands of diabetic smokers.

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by PBH

You're sitting around drinking and getting fat when you should/could be moving and losing weight.

Len - research your fasting blood sugar numbers, do not just accept your doc's 'opinion' of your 'diabetic status'. Or PM me.

I am losing weight actually. I'm down 12 pounds in the last two weeks and 18 total this year. I'm trying to clean up my act a bit for several reasons. I plan to get much more active this spring/winter. I used to be very active and I miss it.


When I went in I had actually not eaten anything (sans psyllium husks with zero additives) in 15 hours so I guess they will be accurate when I get them back?

[Drago]

Originally Posted by Superman

I was an alcoholism counselor once. Most of them are alcoholics, and quite quick to diagnose. Quick to conclude you are an alcoholic. If you've ever driven drunk....alcoholic. If anyone has ever complained about your drinking.....alcoholic.

Still, based on what I have seen, alcoholism is not a disease you want to get. Nope.

I've found that the society of the "addiction" world likes to call almost anyone an alcoholic...it's better for business.

YMMV

[Drago]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

Indeed if the tests come back showing signs...well my decision will be made.

It won't be that easy Len...

[Porsche_monkey]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

When I went in I had actually not eaten anything (sans psyllium husks with zero additives) in 15 hours so I guess they will be accurate when I get them back?

I believe you need to look at fasting blood sugar, which is 12 hours.

[Drago]

Originally Posted by berettafan

docs-

how does alcohol contribute to diabetes?

From what I've been told if you're a heavy drinker it's one of the the leading causes. I don't really know the chemistry behind it though.

The second cause is called acute peripheral neurapathey.

Don't ask how I know.

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by Drago

It won't be that easy Len...

Yea I know, but easy, hard or in between it will be done. I quite smoking (from 2-3 packs a day) cold turkey three years ago. I'm pretty good at making up my mind on things when I feel I need to.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Drago

From what I've been told if you're a heavy drinker it's one of the the leading causes. I don't really know the chemistry behind it though.

The second cause is called acute peripheral neuropathy.

Don't ask how I know.

check my post above about booze and Diabetes,

You are a bit confused on the peripheral neuropathy thing too, this is a late complication of diabetes, also seen in chronic booze jockeys, liver disease, exposure to toxic materials, spinal injuries or even for no apparent reason at all, which happens more than you would imagine.

[72doug2,2S]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

Not for sleep, it wasn't even mentioned I don't think. It was discussed as a "less evil" way to relax at the end of the day.

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Len, its none of my business, but if your wife isn't fulfilling her marital duties nightly, then I would protest. If the two of you are doing it right, you both should be sleeping like babies.

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S

Len, its none of my business, but if your wife isn't fulfilling her marital duties nightly, then I would protest. If the two of you are doing it right, you both should be sleeping like babies.

lol, no problems there.

[Overpaid Slacker]

Aren't there all kinds of studies/data out there that suggest that a drink a day (of normal volume) is healthy? Or, at the very least, not unhealthy?

Would the Dr.'s advice, or anybody's opinion of it, be different if ld was having a glass of fine red wine every night?

JP

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by Overpaid Slacker

Aren't there all kinds of studies/data out there that suggest that a drink a day (of normal volume) is healthy? Or, at the very least, not unhealthy?

Would the Dr.'s advice, or anybody's opinion of it, be different if ld was having a glass of fine red wine every night?

JP

Yea, but one Len sized drink is a lot like one TeryyBPP sized drink

Originally Posted by TerryBPP

I have had one drink out of it on a Saturday about 3 months ago. Sitting here every since.

[nostatic]

my doc recommended one drink a night. Said red wine was preferable but that any booze would do. But that is one drink...and not Len-sized

[bivenator]

My doc and I had a similar conversation concerning a drink to unwind before sleeping. She pointed out that the initial falling asleep will be faster (sometimes) but you are suseptible to not getting a full night of sleep. This is due to the alcohol turning to glucose and the glucose flooding the bloodstream making for a night of restlessness. I try to have my beer(s) earlier if at all. Now the bonghits are a whole nuther story.

[Drago]

Originally Posted by Tobra

check my post above about booze and Diabetes,

You are a bit confused on the peripheral neuropathy thing too, this is a late complication of diabetes, also seen in chronic booze jockeys, liver disease, exposure to toxic materials, spinal injuries or even for no apparent reason at all, which happens more than you would imagine.

I saw it Tobra. My situation is due to being a "chronic booze jockey".

No diabetes here...they've taken plenty of my blood in checking for everything. I do have a fatty liver though.

[Burnin' oil]

When I got up to a bottle of wine a night, I started to be concerned. That's when I started buying 1.5 liter bottles so I'm back to half a bottle a night. It's all good.