You guys been following the raid on the FDLS compound in TX?

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

I am relieved to see the authorities finally coming down on these child abusing polygamists. I'm a little concerned about the grounds for the warrant though, as they apparently have not yet been able to locate the girl who made the call that led to the warrant being issued. And they sure have gone past the point of no return now. These nuts thought they could escape the media scrutiny Warren Jeffs had brought upon them in Colorado City, AZ by building this compound in TX. Sure am glad their world is crashing down now. The stories of what happens to these girls and even exiling the boys to cut down on competition with the older men for wives are just sickening.

MRM · 04-08-2008, 11:23 AM

A little. I was horrified by the count of girls and women being brought out and interviewed. It looks like they were nothing but breeding stock to produce more underage girls for Jeffs and his followers to molest. Hanging is too good for them.

The Gaijin · 04-08-2008, 11:39 AM

Plenty of polygamy here in the big city. Mostly immigrants with first, second and third families on welfare. There was a tragedy in the Bronx last year and they were all in the same apartment building. Collecting welfare and section 8 from you harem? Only in America. Besides a few more families back home that they can sponsor to come over at any time. All on your Tax dollar. The law and American cultural traditons are for chumps apparently.

It is just the crazies who make the news.

URY914 · URY914's Garage

Yesterday that took 401 kids out of that "compound".

What will be done with them?

sammyg2 · 04-08-2008, 11:57 AM

Freaking pervs, feel sorry for the kids but won't shed a tear for the adults. They wanted to be there. Now that they got the kids out it's ime for another Waco scene i thinks

MRM · 04-08-2008, 12:06 PM

The women were the third and fourth third generation of girls subject to Jeffs. The current generations' grandmothers were bred to Jeffs and his followers to create their mothers, who were then bread to produce the next generation that is currently having the babies. I don't blame the adult women who were born into this, but I do blame every male involved. As I said before, hanging's too good for them.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

The whole point of the FLDS compounds is to create an obedience gene in the kids there, obedient only to the "prophet". The girls are just sex toys and sometimes punching bags. Read up on the "Lost Boys" of St. George and Colorad City. Jeffs had his own Taliban-like police in real police cars and uniforms to go around enforcing a moral code on the teenage boys. It was just a facade to drum up a reason to exile any boy that wasn't 110% obedient to Jeffs and the added bonus of getting rid of the competition for the older men who wanted more young wives. I went to Colorado City last year, as I was so fascinated by it after having read Krakauer's book on it. You really can't believe a place like that exists in this country.

Jeff Higgins · 04-08-2008, 01:28 PM

I just want to make it clear that I'm not that Jeff(s). Although it sounds like it was a good gig, if you were.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I just want to make it clear that I'm not that Jeff(s). Although it sounds like it was a good gig, if you were.

I dunno about that. He's only 50 or so and will spend the rest of his sexually active years in a place, where, if he behaves himself, they'll let him work in a laundromat or make license plates.

Jim Richards · 04-08-2008, 02:50 PM

Wow. The wild, wild west.

bt1211 · 04-08-2008, 03:42 PM

What took so long to do something about this?

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

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What took so long to do something about this?

AZ did exactly what TX just did but in Colorado City about 50 yrs. ago. It turned into a PR disaster for the AZ governor and since then all politicians and law enforcement authorities have totally left them alone. Nevermind the incredibly high rate of birth defects from all the inbreeding and polygamy or the welfare fraud, whereby the state only recognizes one wife, so all the others are considered single moms and thus receive welfare, despite the fact that Jeffs's church has a $1 billion to its name. Oh, and in Colorado City you won't see any houses with siding on them, as unfinished houses aren't taxed the same way as finished ones. It looks very ramshackle and is meant to evade taxes. The FLDS is built on fraud and sexual abuse. Sort of like Muslims consider lying ok if it's to an infidel, the FLDS thinks fraud is ok, since the state governments are "apostates". Their mantra is "bleed the beast". I hope people will be as outraged to know the feds and state governments have known about this all along and let it continue as they are to hear the stories of what goes on in these compounds. They exist in Idaho, Canada and Mexico too.

frogger · 04-08-2008, 04:16 PM

Why was it a PR disaster for the AZ governor? That many people in AZ pro-polygamy and for teenage brides?

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

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Why was it a PR disaster for the AZ governor? That many people in AZ pro-polygamy and for teenage brides?

'53 raid forced governor from office
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated:04/05/2008 01:25:15 AM MDT

More than half a century ago, Arizona authorities carried out a predawn raid on FLDS followers - a move that turned into a public relations disaster.

The 1953 raid targeted Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz., twin communities where the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is based.

At 4 a.m. on Sunday, July 26, state and federal authorities swooped into Short Creek, as the communities were then known. A total of 388 people - 39 men, 86 women and 263 children - were arrested or taken into state custody.

Boastful newspaper headlines in Utah and Arizona claimed the "nest of polygamists" had been wiped out.

But newsreels showing photos of children being yanked from their parents created a backlash. Widespread scorn eventually forced Gov. Howard Pyle of Arizona out of office. By year's end, the men had returned home after pledging to give up polygamy and being placed on probation. Most women and children spent two years in Arizona as wards of the state, then returned.

The debacle led to a "hands off" public policy regarding polygamy for the next 50 years.

But beginning in 2000, after FLDS leaders rejected calls from Utah and Arizona to stop marriages between men and underage girls, that policy changed. State actions included takeover of the school district and the sect property trust, and prosecution of men and leader Warren S. Jeffs for underage marriages.

Officials also launched a social services outreach to help people wanting to leave polygamous communities. -

Joeaksa · 04-08-2008, 07:59 PM

One thing that many people do not realize is that Mesa AZ, a suburb of Phoenix was years ago almost all Mormon, so something like this happening in the 1950's would have gotten them riled against the governor, as well as the negative publicity did not help.

We have a lot of publicity about it here in Phoenix as the young boys usually come here or Vegas, the two largest cities around Colorado City/Hildale. They simply cannot stay at home as there are no single girls/women for them to marry, and few if any jobs. The stories about what goes on up there have been around for years, it just took a administration and sheriff willing to go in there and clean things up.

Jeffs was stupid to think that moving to Tejas would help things. Texans do not put up with that kind of crap no matter how much land someone owns. He will spend the rest of his life in the "house of doors" and if he is lucky not have "bubba" for a cell mate. Bubba IMHO would teach him all he needs to know about sex and who is the boss for what he did to everyone on the outside...

kang · 04-10-2008, 07:14 AM

Now they found a bed in the temple, where adult men would have sex with underage girls right after their “weddings.”

To me, this just screams “Let’s all be major pervs, and justify it in the name of religion.”

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Yup.

notfarnow · 04-10-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeaksa

We have a lot of publicity about it here in Phoenix as the young boys usually come here or Vegas, the two largest cities around Colorado City/Hildale. They simply cannot stay at home as there are no single girls/women for them to marry, and few if any jobs.

I wonder how those exiled boys make out in the "real world" once they're out? I'd imagine landing pennyless in Phoenix or Vegas after being raised on one of those compounds would be pretty damn scary. Are there enough of them to form a community and assist boys who've been recently exiled?

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

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I wonder how those exiled boys make out in the "real world" once they're out? I'd imagine landing pennyless in Phoenix or Vegas after being raised on one of those compounds would be pretty damn scary. Are there enough of them to form a community and assist boys who've been recently exiled?

There's a good article out there on those boys. They usually land first in Hurricane, UT, sort of a tiny suburb of St. George. I've passed through it on the way to Zion a few times. From there they tend to get into a lot of trouble. Very sad story all around. UT and AZ state authorities have been completely spineless in going after this thing.

Jeff Higgins · 04-10-2008, 09:17 AM

All in all a pretty damn elaborate, well executed little scheme to get some young pussy. Amazing this could happen in modern America. There had to be an awful lot of "willfull ignorance", with public officials at all levels turning a blind eye to this. They need to be held accountable as well. I wonder how many of them were attending "religious services"....