All Evolutionists, go see the movie "Expelled"

[Rodsrsr]

Hey, nostatic, wanna borrow my knife?

[nostatic]

again you put words in my mouth. i should have listened to my own advice earlier. Let me repeat something I actually said:

"That would about sum it up. Completely pointless to discuss. No (or extremely limited) underlying knowledge of the subject matter at hand and a totally disingenuous process in his retorts. There can be no discourse under those conditions, only blather, huffing, and puffing."

It remains true still in this thread. Have fun.

[snowman]

Its all about CONTROL, bow to the snowman, follow him, he is right and you are wrong. The snowman RULES!

[kstar]

Originally Posted by nostatic

again you put words in my mouth. i should have listened to my own advice earlier. Let me repeat something I actually said:

"That would about sum it up. Completely pointless to discuss. No (or extremely limited) underlying knowledge of the subject matter at hand and a totally disingenuous process in his retorts. There can be no discourse under those conditions, only blather, huffing, and puffing."

It remains true still in this thread. Have fun.

In hindsight, you erred by including the parenthetical.

Best,

Kurt

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by nostatic

again you put words in my mouth. i should have listened to my own advice earlier. Let me repeat something I actually said:

"That would about sum it up. Completely pointless to discuss. No (or extremely limited) underlying knowledge of the subject matter at hand and a totally disingenuous process in his retorts. There can be no discourse under those conditions, only blather, huffing, and puffing."

It remains true still in this thread. Have fun.

Translation: I cant get you to buy into my crap, so Ill just make it seem like the basics of these theories (that are taught in elementary school) are just too complicated for anyone to grasp unless they have advance science degrees. You could have at least ended up saying troll or something. No more fight in you I guess. But you are right, it is pointless to discuss, because even if I wanted to, I just dont have enough "faith" to but into the sponge theory. I mean crystal theory, i mean microbe theory.

[70SWT]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

You guys are f*cking kidding me, right? I mean, this SERIOUSLY is some sort of joke, right?

So-called "intelligent design" is little more than proof that certain threads of humans are not fully done evolving yet.

+1(thousand)

The validity of evolution as a valid scientific principle is a non-issue in this day and age. Period. It's demonstrable in a four-week high-school science project.

"ID" remains nothing more than a cheap attempt to represent religion as science.

[Rearden]

Why did the Intelligent Designer add things like cancer and birth defects into its creation? That seems like an astonishingly cruel thing to do. Do you think the Intelligent Designer is simply an evil sadist?

[snowman]

Originally Posted by RSflared72E

+1(thousand)

The validity of evolution as a valid scientific principle is a non-issue in this day and age. Period. It's demonstrable in a four-week high-school science project.

"ID" remains nothing more than a cheap attempt to represent religion as science.

The closed mind, you are a prime example of one. If you were as intelligent as you proclaim to be you would never accept evolution, as it stands. Evolution appears to be valid for some select cases, but in the general case it fails miserably. I have advanced degrees in science and engineering and my degrees are better than your degrees, so I must be right and you must be wrong.

[trekkor]

In evolution, life evolved from non-life, is that right?

If evolution is a 'fact' this also should be observable, right?


KT

[sjf911]

Originally Posted by snowman

The closed mind, you are a prime example of one. If you were as intelligent as you proclaim to be you would never accept evolution, as it stands. Evolution appears to be valid for some select cases, but in the general case it fails miserably. I have advanced degrees in science and engineering and my degrees are better than your degrees, so I must be right and you must be wrong.

[nostatic]

what we don't realize is that snowman actually is Xenu.

All Hail SnowXeManu!!!

[sjf911]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

A recap from nostatic:
We know that evolution cannot explain the beginnings of life.
We actually cant explain the beginnings of life, because we don't know.
We have done all the studying for you, so you only need to believe us.
Our theories change all the time, but we ask that you just believe.
Our latest theory is that intelligent aliens possibly "seeded" the planet which started the evolution process.
We evolved from sponges, I mean microbes, I mean crystals.
There "is" a missing ape-man link, we just haven't found it yet.
T-Rex is now a pigeon.
We will eventually keep evolving, and maybe we will be super people one day.
Do not question this, just believe.
We will promote these ideas in the public schools, so you will grow up being conditioned to believe in this.
If you question any of the above, you need to have an advanced science degree first because this is all fact and the burden of proof is on you to disprove that we will turn into super people one day.

Strawman argument.
Strawman argument.
Intellectual dishonesty.
Intellectual dishonesty.
An actual lie.
Strawman argument and an argument from ignorance/incredulity.
Intellectual dishonesty.
A lie (and a strawman at that).
Intellectual dishonesty.
A lie.
Intellectual dishonesty.
Strawman argument.

[nostatic]

I prefer to think of them as "snowman arguments"

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

I think "we", man, will create artificial life and Venter is underway with his projects now. I also believe "we" will create thinking machines.

The proof that humans can manipulate life has been around for a long time; corn and dogs, among many others, come to mind.

But, none of the above further the case for the ID folks as there is clear evidence that life is not designed, but evolved.

This would simply not be the case wrt a living thinking AI machine. It would be as designed as something could be. Designed by us.

Really, a cloned sheep(or whatever) is not evolved either. it is deliberately manipulated.

It is designed.

I think you guys need to concede that these living things fit the definition of "intelligent design." In the case of the first living machine the answer to the evolution vs intelligent design question will be very clear, won't it? The first living machine will know it's creator quite well indeed.

Personally, i think making living machines is pretty friggin' stupid, but that's besides the point, lol.

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

You seem to having trouble following this thread. I am not attempting to explain I.D at all, I never claimed to do so. I am merely showing that you cannot rule it out as a possibility to how life "began" not evolved "began" you seem to keep drifting back to the same old evolution is true debate. But according to every living and dead scientist, evolution (micro and macro) CANNOT account for how life "began" If you want to keep arguing evolution in itself, there is an entire thread devoted to that very topic. I know its hard, but try and fight off the ADD.

LOL, Still the goose I see. You don't have a single answer do you. You are obviously a jack of all trades and master of NONE.

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

A recap from nostatic:

We will eventually keep evolving, and maybe we will be super people one day.

Compared to people that lived 200 years ago we are super people. We are generally fitter, stronger, faster, smarter and live longer. Ain't technology and time grand!

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by dewolf

Compared to people that lived 200 years ago we are super people. We are generally fitter, stronger, faster, smarter and live longer. Ain't technology and time grand!

Do we on average have more bone and muscle mass naturally, at birth, then we did 200 years ago, or is it the prevalence of bally's total fitness clubs and HGH?

Hmmmm....

Conversely, we live longer, but if you dropped us out in the wild, would we still? Probably not. I think any extension in avg. living age is probably attributable to advanced medicines and skilled physicians.

To be honest, if you dropped us in the wild, probably half of the western world's population would be toast.

We've devolved into metrosexual wusses. :-P

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

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We've devolved into metrosexual wusses. :-P

Speak for yourself

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Do we on average have more bone and muscle mass naturally, at birth, then we did 200 years ago, or is it the prevalence of bally's total fitness clubs and HGH?

Hmmmm....

Conversely, we live longer, but if you dropped us out in the wild, would we still? Probably not. I think any extension in avg. living age is probably attributable to advanced medicines and skilled physicians.

Everything you have written here is beside the point. It does'nt matter how we live longer or get smarter, the fact is we do. Without science we'd be screwed. Science has been used in various forms for millennia and will continue to do so. It has shaped the world we live in and the people we have become. Some others here reckon the world is crap, they know who they are. I on the other hand love life and embrace all that I can. The world is excellent and this board proves that the majority of people on it are good honest people as well regardless of belief.

[Nathans_Dad]

Well, this thread was an interesting way to spend an hour one sleepless night...

I think if we set a few ground rules for future threads it would be helpful:

1). Everyone agrees that the Theory of Evolution DOES NOT address the origins of life. Therefore, any debate between ID or whatever you choose to call it and evolution makes no sense since they deal with completely different topics.

2). We should leave arguments about who has more educational qualifications for academic debates. This is PPOT and everyone should be able to express their views and discuss their beliefs. Quashing thoe views that dissent from yours on the basis of whether or not they have advanced biological degrees is simply silly.

I personally have not seen the movie, but I do think that it is interesting that one of the central tenets of the film (so I have heard) is being borne out on this thread; namely the violent reaction of the scientific community against ideas that differ from the prevailing wisdom. As I note above, science has yet to come up with a testable hypothesis for the origin of life itself, yet make a mention of what your personal belief is regarding life's origins and you will get 8 pages of the FSM, etc. With regards to the origins of life, ALL we have is belief, both in the scientific community and in the religious community. Whether you believe in a primordial soup that was struck by lightning or God, it is your BELIEF.