All Evolutionists, go see the movie "Expelled"

[Rearden]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Cloning, by any definition of the word, is science.

Cloning isn't designing. Cloning is duplicating.

[Jim Richards]

The drugs are strong in you, trekkor.

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

I am not moved by the 'oversimplification' argument.

At some point, for evolution to be true, a lizard MUST have laid an egg that hatched into a bird. If that DID NOT HAPPEN then Birds DID NOT evolve from lizards.

There may have been a 'million steps' along the way, but at some point some lizard somewhere MUST have laid an egg that hatched into the first bird.

There is just no way around it.

If at NO POINT did a lizard give birth to an egg that hatched into the first bird, then the premise of birds evolving from reptiles is false.

I have no doubt winged lizards can evolve from lizards, but until someone can show us the step of a lizard actually producing a bird egg...

Sounds to me like both sides are relying on "Faith" in this discussion.

Likewise, until someone can show life spontaneously spring forth from primordial goo, the whole chain of events relies on the individuals FAITH that this could actually happen.

Cause no one has ever seen that, and no one can replicate that, hard as they may try.


You can repeat that all you want, it doesn't make you right. IMO, and by the definition i would use, cloning is Intelligent design, literally.

Cloning, by any definition of the word, is science.


How about a little condenscention?

SHOW ME A BIRD COME FROM A LIZARD EGG THAT CAME -NATURALLY- FROM THE BELLY OF A LIZARD.

Until you can show that you are relying on FAITH that it can happen. So far, no one, ever, anywhere, has ever seen that happen.

Period.

You can take on all the superior tones you want, but the fact is, i am right.

Cloning is not intelligent design. It is merely copying of that which already exists.

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by trekkor

Why the similarities between the species? Same creator.


KT

No the similarities are in their genetic structure. There are similarities between us and apes to. But you disagree with that. You know, I ain't the smartest bloke on the planet but at least I try to educate myself. You trek, just seem to close your eyes and ears and go la la la la la. Do some reading. Seek and ye shall find.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

There may have been a 'million steps' along the way, but at some point some lizard somewhere MUST have laid an egg that hatched into the first bird.

You're really missing the big picture. You don't go straight from lizard to bird. You get between the two with thousands (millions?) of baby steps. So, it's not a lizard that lays a bird egg, it's a species that evolved from a lizard over millions of years that lays the egg and now we call it a bird.

It's like the old "man evolved from apes" thing. Man didn't evolve from apes. Man and apes evolved from some common ancestor a long time ago that was neither a man, nor an ape. Make sense? Apes didn't simply start having human babies any more than a lizard gave birth to a duck.

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

I am not moved by the 'oversimplification' argument.

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How about a little condenscention?

SHOW ME A BIRD COME FROM A LIZARD EGG THAT CAME -NATURALLY- FROM THE BELLY OF A LIZARD.

Until you can show that you are relying on FAITH that it can happen. So far, no one, ever, anywhere, has ever seen that happen.

Period.

You can take on all the superior tones you want, but the fact is, i am right.

The fact is, you really don't understand evolution and seem unwilling to try to understand it. I hope that will change. I look forward to the day when you finally have your epiphany.

[dewolf]

Man what is this, the battle of the Trekkors.

m21, what's with you and the bird, lizard thing. It just don't happen like that. Geez.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

The fact is, you really don't understand evolution and seem unwilling to try to understand it. I hope that will change. I look forward to the day when you finally have your epiphany.

Nice evasion.

Yes or no: Did birds evolve from lizards?

If the answer is yes, at SOME FINITE POINT, the first bird was born, and it came from a REPTILE EGG.

PERIOD.

You evolutionist KooLAiD drinkers show more faith than catholics do, as far as i'm concerned.

Me: "Where did life birds come from?"

Evolutionist: "They evolved from reptiles"

Me: "So at some point some reptile gave birth to the first bird?"

Evolutionist: "You're so simple minded. You need to read more."

If birds evolved from lizards, at SOME POINT, a FINITE POINT IN TIME, the very first bird came from an egg laid by a lizard.

Period.

If that is not the case, then birds didn't evolve from lizards. Period.

[Jim Richards]

Please read Darwin's The Origin's of Species.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by trekkor

Let's, just for fun, say that whales are related to cows.
Why are there still both?

Why the similarities between the species? Same creator.


KT

To repeat myself:

"It's like the old "man evolved from apes" thing. Man didn't evolve from apes. Man and apes evolved from some common ancestor a long time ago that was neither a man, nor an ape. Make sense? Apes didn't simply start having human babies any more than a lizard gave birth to a duck."

Does this not make sense? There is massive amounts of material evidence that this has occurred.

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Nice evasion.

Yes or no: Did birds evolve from lizards?

If the answer is yes, at SOME FINITE POINT, the first bird was born, and it came from a REPTILE EGG.

PERIOD.

You evolutionist nuts show more faith than catholics do, as far as i'm concerned.

i think my 12 year understands more about this than you do. I can't believe anyone would think a lizard egg would hatch a full fledged bird. Absurd. So did an ape give birth to a modern human then.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Please read Darwin's The Origin's of Species.

Yeah, i'm gonna read a whole book just to let you avoid answering one simple question.

Please answer my question.

Even better, just admit that no one has ever once observed the moment where a lizard stops becoming a lizard, and in fact becomes a bird.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by dewolf

i think my 12 year understands more about this than you do. I can't believe anyone would think a lizard egg would hatch a full fledged bird. Absurd. So did an ape give birth to a modern human then.

Man, you have a problem with comprehension..

Look what i said professor:

"At some point, for evolution to be true, a lizard MUST have laid an egg that hatched into a bird. If that DID NOT HAPPEN then Birds DID NOT evolve from lizards.

There may have been a 'million steps' along the way, but at some point some lizard somewhere MUST have laid an egg that hatched into the first bird.

There is just no way around it."

At some point, a critter that was scientifically codifiable as a lizard MUST have laid an egg that gave birth to a NEW SPECIES that was now scientifically codifiable as a bird.

There MUST be a FINITE EVENT when reptile ceased being reptile, and became bird.

I await your (non forthcoming, i am sure) answer.

[dewolf]

Jesus, it's Trek 2

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by IROC

To repeat myself:

"It's like the old "man evolved from apes" thing. Man didn't evolve from apes. Man and apes evolved from some common ancestor a long time ago that was neither a man, nor an ape. Make sense? Apes didn't simply start having human babies any more than a lizard gave birth to a duck."

Does this not make sense? There is massive amounts of material evidence that this has occurred.

That is the theory....but no one has ever seen it happen.

I doubt anyone ever will, either.

Whatever the 'common ancester' was, at some point it gave birth or laid eggs that became an entirely new type of critter. Sure there can be 10,000,000 steps, but there must be a finite point in time where the offspring of (for instance) some reptiles somewhere ceased being reptiles, and became birds.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by dewolf

Jesus, it's Trek 2

There goes another insult.

Insults do not substitute for answers son.

There must be a finite point in time where a lizard laid an egg that sprung forth a critter that was no longer a lizard, but was actually codifiable as a bird. A critter that a scientist would look at and say, "This is a bird."

If your next planned response is an insult, save yourself the time, and don't even respond.

[Jim Richards]

Do you realize your response to dewolf was an insult to trekkor? I'm hopeful that that was unintended.

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

At some point, a critter that was scientifically codifiable as a lizard MUST have laid an egg that gave birth to a NEW SPECIES that was now scientifically codifiable as a bird.
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How about many 'codifiable' species along the way. Not just suddenly a bird appears. Is it to hard for you to comprehend the many facets of change required for this?

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

There goes another insult.

Insults do not substitute for answers son.

There must be a finite point in time where a lizard laid an egg that sprung forth a critter that was no longer a lizard, but was actually codifiable as a bird. A critter that a scientist would look at and say, "This is a bird."

If your next planned response is an insult, save yourself the time, and don't even respond.

Hang on, you called me an nutjob, now your crying about someone returning the favour.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Do you realize your response to dewolf was an insult to trekkor? I'm hopeful that that was unintended.

What, you feel like you got the insult market cornered all to yourself?