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stuartj 04-25-2008 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by genrex (Post 3907896)
Milt,

My girlfriend gets what she calls "impressions" of people and what their fate will be. She has had this ability since childhood, but she is afraid to do it now because she doesn't want to know how people will die and where they will go. She says there is a hell, and it has no reference points that we are familiar with; it is a dark place with swirling pinwheels of very bright light, very disorienting and scary. She went there once because she was curious to see where a bad man from her hometown went when he died. She doesn't want to ever go there again. She also says there is a heaven on the far shore of a placid ocean, and on the near shore is a waiting area where some souls have to quietly think about their lives, and learn lessons, before sailing to the far shore over the horizon.

Interesting stuff..
:(

I hope she can cook.

K. Roman 04-25-2008 04:27 PM

I'd be having break-up feelings right about now...

m21sniper 04-26-2008 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad (Post 3908112)
Yes, it is the same choice offered to man, isn't it?

Erm, if there is a god i very much choose to spend eternity at his side as his child, etc, etc.

So i'm home free now right?

sammyg2 04-26-2008 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by milt (Post 3907229)
The idea popped into my mind from a comment on another thread.


And then there's this ongoing tendency for people to talk their religion here. So, let's try this:

Should I be destined for Hell, I shall burn according to what people say. I leave the current world as a soul, no tangibles, nothing physical. How am I supposed to feel any discomfort with no body? how am I supposed to see anything alarming?

No, I'm serious. People like Witnesses portray heaven as souls fluttering around in paradise with all the animals getting along; no one eating anyone else. The opposite has to be what they think of for heathens.

Explain to me the pain and sorrow I will suffer if I don't make it.

Oh, and I guess I get to leave all this grease under my fingernails behind either way. How can it be all that bad? :D

Couple things wrong with what you've written so far. First, you said "there's this ongoing tendency for people to talk their religion here". Nope, people tend to defend their religious beliefs after non-believers attack their religion. Guess they are threatened by it so they have to lash out and try to discredit it, must make them feel better or something.
If the little-kid non-believers weren't so insecure there would be very little discussion of religion on this forum. (no intended reference to this thread, this is a legitimate inquiry.)

As Cgarr said, hell is the absence of god's presence, or being isolated from him.
Take my word for it, God's presence in the afterlife in not something you want to be without. BTDT.
We are not supposed to understand exactly what the kingdom of God is all about but we are supposed to know how to end up there. It isn't that hard.

Rodsrsr 04-26-2008 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 3908079)
after all, it was you and me


You are not allowed to respond to this thread since you do not have a masters of divinity.

DARISC 04-26-2008 07:46 AM

Hell? No one sleeps. Everyone plays an accordian. Non-stop.

Milu 04-26-2008 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 3908985)
Couple things wrong with what you've written so far. First, you said "there's this ongoing tendency for people to talk their religion here". Nope, people tend to defend their religious beliefs after non-believers attack their religion. Guess they are threatened by it so they have to lash out and try to discredit it, must make them feel better or something.
If the little-kid non-believers weren't so insecure there would be very little discussion of religion on this forum. (no intended reference to this thread, this is a legitimate inquiry.)

As Cgarr said, hell is the absence of god's presence, or being isolated from him.
Take my word for it, God's presence in the afterlife in not something you want to be without. BTDT.
We are not supposed to understand exactly what the kingdom of God is all about but we are supposed to know how to end up there. It isn't that hard.

Some observations:

Non-believers do not appear insecure or threatened by religion. There is however, a lot of fun in seeing believers try to explain and justify their beliefs.

To date neither proof of the existence of God nor of an afterlife has been forthcoming, if you have something to add to the "evidence" the existense of God thread is still open.

If you don't know what the kingdom of god is about how do you know you want to end up there or that you have the guidelines to get there?

blk911 04-26-2008 07:57 AM

Milt,

there is an interesting book out there, "Twenty three minutes in Hell" by Bill Wiese. I am a Christian and assured that I am going to Heaven, but picked this book up in a bookstore while browsing one day, it is an account by someone who was clinically dead for some 23 minutes and he believes he was sent to hell as a warning. He was revived, he believes for the purpose of coming back and warning others.

You might take a look, pretty fascinating, not to mention, it will make you question what you really believe.

I wish you well, would hate to see anyone go there.

stuartj 04-26-2008 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodsrsr (Post 3909001)
You are not allowed to respond to this thread since you do not have a masters of divinity.

A Masters in Basket Weaving would be more germane.

blk911 04-26-2008 02:42 PM

Milt,

Actually the Bible does apparently teach that we will have bodies, both in Heaven and Hell. In Luke 16 is the story of Lazarus who was in heaven and the rich man who was in Hades and "lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried out and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus s that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame."

Also Revelation 20 has this account, which was a vision given to John by God, "And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne". This to me would indicate that we have bodies.

Same chapter v. 13, "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds...........And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire"

Furthermore, Jesus talks of a great banquet or feast that He will throw for all believers. This indicates eating and drinking, hence, physical bodies. Therefore most likely, those in hell will also have physical bodies.

stuartj 04-26-2008 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blk911 (Post 3909496)
Milt,

Actually the Bible does apparently teach that we will have bodies, both in Heaven and Hell. In Luke 16 is the story of Lazarus who was in heaven and the rich man who was in Hades and "lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried out and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus s that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame."

Also Revelation 20 has this account, which was a vision given to John by God, "And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne". This to me would indicate that we have bodies.

Same chapter v. 13, "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds...........And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire"

Furthermore, Jesus talks of a great banquet or feast that He will throw for all believers. This indicates eating and drinking, hence, physical bodies. Therefore most likely, those in hell will also have physical bodies.


Or- we could regard this as superstitious bronze age nonsense, the belief of which suggests mental incompentence at such a level as to make one wonder how such a person might be able to put there own trousers on each morning.

idontknow 04-26-2008 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 3907254)
GWB hates hell.

Buy a Mac, get a free pass to heaven and a reprieve from PC hell!

trekkor 04-26-2008 08:16 PM

Ecclesiastes 9:5- "For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all..."


No thought or feeling after you die.
No everlasting punishment or pain.


KT

stuartj 04-26-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by trekkor (Post 3909895)
Ecclesiastes 9:5- "For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all..."


No thought or feeling after you die.
No everlasting punishment or pain.


KT

"Same chapter v. 13, "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds...........And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire"

Trekkor- seems these statements in bible verses are in conflict. Why is one correct and the other not?

the 04-26-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 3908985)
Take my word for it, God's presence in the afterlife in not something you want to be without. BTDT.

Whoa! That may be the most amazing BTDT in the history of the Internets.

So what was the afterlife like?!?!

the 04-26-2008 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Milu (Post 3909035)

Non-believers do not appear insecure or threatened by religion. There is however, a lot of fun in seeing believers try to explain and justify their beliefs.

I don't ask these types of questions for fun. I am not a believer, but am fully open to becoming one! ANY religion - I don't rule out the chance that any particular religion may actually be right.

I read all of the posts very carefully. Unfortunately, almost always, my questions end up not being answered, or answered in such a way or with answers that make me somewhat more of a non-believer.

stuartj 04-26-2008 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 3908985)


Take my word for it, God's presence in the afterlife in not something you want to be without. BTDT.

Jesus H Christ. I missed this too. Tell us, Sammy, please.
What news from the afterlife? Whats god like?

sammyg2 04-27-2008 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Milu (Post 3909035)

If you don't know what the kingdom of god is about how do you know you want to end up there or that you have the guidelines to get there?

God's word. It's in the bible. Have you read it? Didn't think so.

m21sniper 04-27-2008 07:52 AM

You said "BTDT" Sammy.

So tell us, is Elvis still the King?

Paul K 04-27-2008 07:59 AM

Hell is the impossibility of reason.

Sounds pretty much like owning a British vehicle, as was mentioned earlier...


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