Where did they come from?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by trekkor

Are you suggesting that man has been here longer, even though no evidence exists to support that?

The evidence *should* be abundant and clear, without room for interpretation.
It is NOT.


Your turn


KT

No, I'm not. I'm not doing anything of the kind. I want to know how you arrived at man being on the planet for 6,000 years.

Why are you being evasive Trek, I don't understand.

[trekkor]

I'm not being eveasive.

I'm telling you what the Bible teaches. What I believe to be true.


What you believe is your choice.



KT

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by trekkor

I'm not being eveasive.

I'm telling you what the Bible teaches. What I believe to be true.


What you believe is your choice.



KT

Whew! now we're getting somewhere.

Where in the Bible does it say man was created 6000 years ago?

[trekkor]

Where in the Bible does it say man was created 6000 years ago?

Are you willing to do some basic Bible study?


KT

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by trekkor

Are you willing to do some basic Bible study?


KT

Of course.

[Milu]

Originally Posted by trekkor

Are you willing to do some basic Bible study?


KT

Some of us have already done the basic bible study. Not withstanding our different views of bible authorship, how does yours give you 6,000 years?

[trekkor]

From Human Creation to the Present.
Modern historians are unable to determine any certain date for the beginning of the “historical period” of mankind. Whether they turn to the history of Assyria, Babylon, or Egypt, the chronology becomes increasingly uncertain and unstable as they work their way back through the second millennium B.C.E., and in the third millennium B.C.E. they are faced with confusion and obscurity. By contrast, the Bible provides a connected history that allows for a methodical count back to the beginning of human history, a count that is facilitated by Biblical references to certain large periods of time, such as the 479 full-year period from the Exodus to the start of the temple construction during Solomon’s reign.—1Ki 6:1.

To make the count in terms of modern calendar dating, we must use some fixed point or pivotal date with which to commence, that is, a date in history that has sound basis for acceptance and that corresponds with a particular event recorded in the Bible. From this date as a pivotal point we can figure backward or forward and assign calendar dates to many of the events referred to in the Bible.

One such date, harmonizing with both Biblical and secular history, is the year 29 C.E., the early months of which were in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar, who was named emperor by the Roman Senate on September 15, 14 C.E. (Gregorian calendar). It was in the year 29 C.E. that John the Baptizer began his preaching and also when, perhaps about six months later, he baptized Jesus.—Lu 3:1-3, 21, 23; 1:36.

Another date that can be used as a pivotal point is the year 539 B.C.E., supported by various historical sources as the year for the overthrow of Babylon by Cyrus the Persian. (Secular sources for Cyrus’ reign include Diodorus, Africanus, Eusebius, and Ptolemy, as well as the Babylonian tablets.) During Cyrus’ first year his decree releasing the Jews from exile was given. And, as considered in the article on CYRUS, it is very probable that the decree was made by the winter of 538 B.C.E. or toward the spring of 537 B.C.E. This would permit the Jews time to make necessary preparations, effect the four-month journey to Jerusalem, and still arrive there by the seventh month (Tishri, or about October 1) of 537 B.C.E.—Ezr 1:1-11; 2:64-70; 3:1.

Using such pivotal dates, we can then relate a very large number of the Bible events to specific calendar dates.

Please look up the cited verses.


KT

[trekkor]

From Adam’s creation to the Flood. The 1,656 years of this period are set out in Genesis 5:1-29; 7:6, and they may be outlined as shown in the chart.

From Adam’s creation to the birth of Seth 130 years

Then to the birth of Enosh 105 years

To the birth of Kenan 90 years

To the birth of Mahalalel 70 years

To the birth of Jared 65 years

To the birth of Enoch 162 years

To the birth of Methuselah 65 years

To the birth of Lamech 187 years

To the birth of Noah 182 years

To the Flood 600 years

Total 1,656 years

From the creation of
Adam 4026 B.C.E.

To the start of the
Flood 2370 B.C.E. 1,656 years

To the validating of
the Abrahamic
covenant 1943 B.C.E. 427 years

To the Exodus from
Egypt 1513 B.C.E. 430 years

To the start of the
temple construction 1034 B.C.E. 479 years

To the division of
the kingdom 997 B.C.E. 37 years

To the desolation of
Judah 607 B.C.E. 390 years

To the return of the
Jews from exile 537 B.C.E. 70 years

To the rebuilding of
Jerusalem’s walls 455 B.C.E. 82 years

To the baptism of
Jesus 29 C.E. 483 years

To the present 2008 C.E. 1,979 years

Total time period
from Adam’s creation
to 2008 C.E. 6,033 years

Thanks for reading,


KT

[Milu]

Thanks for posting, I don't agree with a bible based calculation but I was interested in how you reached the 6000 year figure.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by trekkor

Thanks for reading,


KT

Thanks for posting, this is fascinating. I created my own excel spreadsheet.

Name......Father's age at birth.......Lived to
Adam............0................................. ...930
Seth............130............................... .....912
Enos............105............................... .....905
Cainan............90.............................. ......910
Mahalaleel.......70............................... .....895
Jared............65............................... .....962
Enoch............162.............................. ......365
Methuselah............65.......................... ..........969
Lamech............187............................. .......777
Noah................182

From the year God made Adam to the year Noah was born, 1056 years passed.

From the year God made Adam to the year Lamech was born, 874 years passed.

This means that Adam was alive when Lamech was born and surely would have known and interacted with everyone in the tree up to the latter on a regular basis.

[9dreizig]

Just a point of interest,, how long did it take to turn dead dinosaurs into 20-W50 ?

[trekkor]

Originally Posted by 9dreizig

Just a point of interest,, how long did it take to turn dead dinosaurs into 20-W50 ?

I have no idea, but it was not inside the scope of man's existance.
Would you agree?

My position has always been that the earth is of an unknown age.
Billions, maybe.
No one knows. We can all guess.


KT

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by trekkor

I have no idea, but it was not inside the scope of man's existance.
Would you agree?

My position has always been that the earth is of an unknown age.
Billions, maybe.
No one knows. We can all guess.


KT

huh? The Bible tells us it's 6000 years old.

[trekkor]

No, it tells us Adam was created 6,033 years ago.

The other things are not specified.


KT

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by trekkor

No, it tells us Adam was created 6,033 years ago.

The other things are not specified.


KT

God made man on the 6th day. the Earth is 6,033 years and 6 days old.

[trekkor]

...If you believe the creative days we're 24 hours literal 'man days'.
Which they we're not.



KT

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

God made man on the 6th day. the Earth is 6,033 years and 6 days old.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by trekkor

...If you believe the creative days we're 24 hours literal 'man days'.
Which they we're not.



KT

Where in the Bible does it say they aren't 24 hour days?

[trekkor]

I'm being called for dinner. I can't play anymore right now.
I'll be back later.

Think on this: Where does it say they are 24 hour days?



KT

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by trekkor

I'm being called for dinner. I can't play anymore right now.
I'll be back later.

Think on this: Where does it say they are 24 hour days?



KT

They are called days in the text, defined as evening followed by morning. Since Man wrote down God's Word, evening followed by morning is a day is a day is a day as the author knew it then and we know it today. since the Bible only gives one definition for a day, that's what we go by. We don't create new meanings for days that aren't in the Bible. And since you've also dated the age of the Earth on Adam's creation using the only definition of day in the Bible, I'm sorry Trek, a day is 24 hours.

But why would you think so little of God that he couldn't create the Earth and everything on it in 6 days? Why would you even think to create a whole new definition of a day even though the text is absolutely clear on what a day is?