Where did they come from?

[dentist90]

Follow up biblical question: where did Noah put the two Triceratops, two T-Rexs, two Brachiosaurs... I think you can see where I'm going with this.
May have to go back and find that evolution thread again to explain races and extinctions. Bible is missing some detail here.

[9dreizig]

I don't know about you guys, but this thread pretty much cleared up everything for me.. You'll be seeing me in church next Sunday.. Oh Sh@t,, I forgot I've got an oil leak on the P car.. well maybe next week then...

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by dentist90

Well there 'ya go... somehow it was possible to collect two of every species on the planet (because it is my understanding that it was not just a small local flood) and put them all on one boat for a month and feed them. I don't know how Noah and his family managed to get North American Bison and Kangaroos over to his place, but like I said: the rules have changed since biblical times.

edit: and why the heck did God see it necessary to bring along the venemous snakes, wasps and mosquitoes !!

It was actually two of some kinds and seven of others. They were also confined to the ark for close to a year. He didnt have to collect the animals, the animals went to him. The animals may have been taken to different contenients by people or they may have crossed land bridges. One theory is that perhaps marsupials migrated "to" other continents. Being marsupials, they bore their young in pouches and were able to travel farther and faster than mammals that had to stop to care for their young. They were able to establish themselves in Australia before competors reached the continent. Even evolutionists say that many animals and people migrated from Asia to the Americas over a land bridge at the Bering Straits. But this is just one theory.

[trekkor]

Originally Posted by dentist90

Follow up biblical question: where did Noah put the two Triceratops, two T-Rexs, two Brachiosaurs... I think you can see where I'm going with this.
May have to go back and find that evolution thread again to explain races and extinctions. Bible is missing some detail here.

I thought dinos were trotting around '65 million' years ago

Why would you even suggest dinos being alive with Noah?


KT

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by dentist90

Follow up biblical question: where did Noah put the two Triceratops, two T-Rexs, two Brachiosaurs... I think you can see where I'm going with this.
May have to go back and find that evolution thread again to explain races and extinctions. Bible is missing some detail here.

The size of the average dinosaur was comparable to that of a chicken. For the large species like T-Rex and Brachiosaurs its more likely that they were simply very young at the time they boarded the ark.

[trekkor]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

The size of the average dinosaur was comparable to that of a chicken. For the large species like T-Rex and Brachiosaurs its more likely that they were simply very young at the time they boarded the ark.

Hold it, hold it... hold everything!!

What makes you think dinos were 'on board'?



KT

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by trekkor

Hold it, hold it... hold everything!!

What makes you think dinos were 'on board'?



KT

Well, if Dinosaurs were land animals, than they were originally created on day six with all the other animals. Since there was no sin or death before the curse, than the Dinosaurs could not have existed before Adam.

[trekkor]

Animals are not effected by man's sin and they were not created to live forever.



KT

[trekkor]

The creative days are not 24 hours long each.

They are of unknown length...

The sixth day could very well been billions of years long, with man appearing just 6,000 years ago.



KT

[Rodsrsr]

I believe that the entire creation was affected by the curse. God speaks of the ground producing thorns and thistles and that the animals would now fear man. Belief in millions of years undermines the Bibles teaching on death and the character of God. Genesis 1 says six times that God called the creation "good" and on day 6 when completed, everything was "very good" After the fall, man and the earth were physically changed and the ground itself was cursed (Gen 3:14-19) The whole creation now groans in bondage to corruption, waiting for the final redemption (Rom 8:19-25) when we will see the restoration of all things (Acts 3:21 & Col1:20) to a state similar to the pre-fall world, when there will be no more carnivorous behavior, no disease, suffering, or death. To accept millions of years of animal death before the creation and fall of man contradicts and destroys the Bibles teaching on death and the full redemptive work of Christ. It also makes God into a bumbling, cruel creator who uses (or cannot prevent) disease, natural disasters, and extinctions to mar his creative work, without any moral cause, but still calls it very good.

[Rodsrsr]

If the days of creation are millions of years, than the gospel message is undermined at its foundation because it puts death, disease, thorns, and suffering "before" the fall.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by avi8torny

His Word provides us with what he wants us to know. I'll deduce that He does not think we need to know this right now. I am sure it will be revealed to us when the 5 nations attack Israel. Can't wait.

Mmm. Righteous bloodshed. The best kind. Cant wait either.

[nostatic]

oh, this should get good...

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by trekkor

Hold it, hold it... hold everything!!

What makes you think dinos were 'on board'?



KT

Ofcourse there dinosaurs on the Ark, you silly.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/dinos_on_ark.asp

So, were dinosaurs on the Ark?
In Genesis 6:19–20, the Bible says that two of every sort of land vertebrate (seven of the “clean” animals) were brought by God to the Ark. Therefore, dinosaurs (land vertebrates) were represented on the Ark.

How did those huge dinosaurs fit on the Ark?
Although there are about 668 names of dinosaurs, there are perhaps only 55 different “kinds” of dinosaurs. Furthermore, not all dinosaurs were huge like the Brachiosaurus, and even those dinosaurs on the Ark were probably “teenagers” or young adults.

Creationist researcher John Woodmorappe has calculated that Noah had on board with him representatives from about 8,000 animal genera (including some now-extinct animals), or around 16,000 individual animals. When you realize that horses, zebras, and donkeys are probably descended from the horse-like “kind”, Noah did not have to carry two sets of each such animal. Also, dogs, wolves, and coyotes are probably from a single canine “kind”, so hundreds of different dogs were not needed.

According to Genesis 6:15, the Ark measured 300 x 50 x 30 cubits, which is about 460 x 75 x 44 feet, with a volume of about 1.52 million cubic feet. Researchers have shown that this is the equivalent volume of 522 standard railroad stock cars (US), each of which can hold 240 sheep. By the way, only 11% of all land animals are larger than a sheep.

Without getting into all the math, the 16,000-plus animals would have occupied much less than half the space in the Ark (even allowing them some moving-around space).

[DARISC]

[QUOTE=stuartj;3911472]Ofcourse there dinosaurs on the Ark, you silly./QUOTE]

Dinosaurs never existed. They are a hoax. God would never create such ugly creatures; so a fundamentalist who worked where I worked years ago told me. He truly believed that. Hey, we all have a right to our beliefs, no?

[livi]

Shaun,

That information is given out on a 'need to know' basis only. Top class secret. Security level 7.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by trekkor

The creative days are not 24 hours long each.

They are of unknown length...

The sixth day could very well been billions of years long, with man appearing just 6,000 years ago.



KT

The Bible is very clear on this. Days are days. They have always been, and always will be, 24 hours in length. If you can post where the Bible has a different definition of days, please do so, but don't just make up the Word of God(TM) to suit your manmade theory. God frowns on that sort of thing.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by trekkor

I thought dinos were trotting around '65 million' years ago

Why would you even suggest dinos being alive with Noah?


KT

Do you know how many years went by between the flood and Babel?

[livi]

Shaun,

In 'God(TM)', do you mean TradeMark?

If so, pretty darn funny.

Most things in society are rooted in power, money and business. Religion too IMHO.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by livi

Shaun,

In 'God(TM)', do you mean TradeMark?

If so, pretty darn funny.

Most things in society are rooted in power, money and business. Religion too IMHO.

Organized Religion is nothing more than government with the added value of fear of "God" to back it up to make people do what government wants them to do.

The Bush Admin built their case for the Iraq War with the same formula after 9/11. It works. Sadly.