What new gun control laws are coming in 2009 and beyond?

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by RoninLB

"..... by the time the next president takes office with a near filibuster- or even veto-proof Dem majority in Congress."


you forgot the liberals a Dem president will appoint to the Supreme Court so they can fix the Constitution. Any right to bear arms is subject to interpretation.

THAT is the really scary part. The flip side is if the Right wins the next election, the supreme court would be set in conservative stone for decades to come. Time will tell.

Of course there are some things a liberal SCOTUS might actually fix that would do some good. Like some of this super-over reaching republican police state bullspit. God bless Ronnie Reagan, but man did he screw the pooch with his 'war on drugs'.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by 125shifter

I predict the Supreme Court will rule this year in District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290 that the second amendment guarantees an individual's right to keep and bear arms.

In the early 1900s the Supreme court ruled that the gov't over-stepped in charging income taxes. So the Congress merely amended the constitution.(1915 IIRC).

Now we have the IRS and a 50 volume set tax code. The term for that is 'precedent'.

NEVER under-estimate the gov't's ability to take away any freedom, or invent any new gov't power it see's fit.

Originally Posted by frogger

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."

Originally Posted by rick lee

Make a deal with the devil and you're the junior partner.

Wow, good saying. Did you coin that just now?

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

BTW, why are Constitutional Amendments subject to "reasonable restrictions" if the Amendment includes the words "shall not be infringed"?

In fairness, it also includes the phrase 'well regulated militia'.

The part that chaffs my ass is "...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Bear is a synonym for carry. Only Vermont actually honors the true intent of the 2nd amendment IMO.

[legion]

Originally Posted by red-beard

I expect that the focus will be "rules" changes that will make ammo and reloading prohibitively expensive. Since these don't actully require real legislation, they could be implemented by a President Obama. Look at the recent attempt to change the rules on shipping of smokeless powder and primers. It would have increased the cost by a factor of 10. And it was being done for "Transportation" safety, not gun control. And who can be against making the highways safer?

This is the new Handgun Control Inc. Sue Walmart in the court of public opinion.

Yep, and the EPA has tried to reclassify gun powder as being in the same class as dynamite and TNT. Net result--gun powder (or anything that contains it ) would not be allowed to sit on store shelves.

[jyl]

Democrats will want to retain power, rather than make further runs at gun control. Many of the new Democratic Congressmen are from conservative districts and support gun rights.

I can see legislation on background checks, mental patients, etc. I think another assault rifle or hi-cap mag ban is unlikely.

[legion]

I do think that microstamping and/or putting serial numbers on ammunition will be pushed.

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by legion

I do think that microstamping and/or putting serial numbers on ammunition will be pushed.

There are so many insane technical hurdles to this....I just laugh when I think of twits in Washington trying to sort this out.

What are they going to do, ban hand loading?

Time it will take a criminal to grind off microstamps? 2 minutes.

More bull***** for law abiding folks to deal with and ZERO reduction in crime.

[legion]

You are, of course, 100% right HardDrive.

Never mind that revolvers are exempt from all proposed microstamping regulations. Not that they would do any good anyway.

[futuresoptions]

We will keep our guns, They will keep the firing pins......

[mattdavis11]

The bigger question is what will the Union do without Montana.

I'm not worried about what the supreme court decides, the gov't isn't going to take firearms away from Texans. That would start a war.

It will be interesting to see if the court continues to uphold incorporation of the BOR via the 14th. My guess is that they won't have to; the DC law can not withstand the scrutiny of least restrictive means criterion the court usually applies when determining the constitutionality of a law aimed at serving a government interest.

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by jyl

Democrats will want to retain power, rather than make further runs at gun control. Many of the new Democratic Congressmen are from conservative districts and support gun rights.

I can see legislation on background checks, mental patients, etc. I think another assault rifle or hi-cap mag ban is unlikely.

That's what my crystal ball says, too.

[The Gaijin]

No changes to the constitution on guns or anything else...

Like the Europeans - it is all about death by a thousand cuts. That is the modern liberal model.

Mandates, regulations, Federal "guidelines". For guns and just about everything else a myriad of new laws will be implemented by unelected bureaucrats..

The constitution as written and representitive democracy be damned.

[campbellcj]

Someone advised me today that yet another ludicrous ammo bill has become "un-dead" and is circulating the Kaliforniastan legislature again.

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Introduced by State Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), Assembly Bill 2062 puts ammunition sales in the crosshairs. AB2062 would require that law-abiding gun owners obtain a permit to buy handgun ammunition and would impose severe restrictions on the private transfers of handgun ammunition. Applicants for a “permit-to-purchase” would be required to submit to a background check, pay a $35 fee, and wait as long as 30 days to receive the permit.

Under AB2062, it would be unlawful to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a “handgun ammunition vendor” in the Department of Justice’s database. Ammunition retailers would have to be licensed and store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. The bill would also require vendors to keep a record of the transaction including the ammunition buyer’s name, driver’s license, the quantity, caliber and type of ammunition purchased, and right thumbprint, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice or the number of his handgun ammunition purchase permit. Vendors would be required to contact the purchase permit database, to verify the validity of a permit before completing a sale. All ammunition sales in the State of California would be subject to a $3 per transaction tax. Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited. Any violator of AB2062 would be subject to civil fines.

[Rick Lee]

They should try to make people get permits and pay fees to criticize the government and to vote too. Why does anyone put up with this?

[tabs]

As Kalifornia goes so goes the nation..."Gavin Newsome Mayor of SF.

[on2wheels52]

There have been a number of comments here I agree with. Such as this one "I can see legislation on background checks, mental patients, etc. I think another assault rifle or hi-cap mag ban is unlikely."
Speaking as someone 'in the trenches' who will be complying with any new regulations, I feel the nearly nationwide Concealed Carry Permit (or however it's called in your state) has become well entrenched in the state bureaucracy. They are here to stay. If you don't have a permit, I would advise you to obtain one. I feel they will become honored nationwide, as driver's licenses are.
Jim

[DaveE]

They tried to pass a law in PA requiring an owner to report a gun theft in some reasonable amount of time and it didn't even pass. I'm sure the sky is falling somewhere though.

[competentone]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

And what effect did it [the 1994 "Assault" Weapons ban] have? I bought a Norinco MAK90 when the 'ban' was in effect. I had to buy it with the lame 'sporterized' stock, but so what? It took me all of an hour to put a fiber stock on it.

The '94 law that passed was a substantially modified bill from what was originally proposed.

As first proposed, the '94 law was a ban on all semi-auto firearms.

That's why there was so much panic buying of firearms and ammo; it was obvious that whoever wrote the original bill understood exactly what firearms would need to be removed from the population to prevent the population from ever having any ability to defend itself against the establishment of a police state.

(And by the way, HardDrive, the "sporterized stock" on the Norinco MAK90 was a response to the 1989 import ban. The "modification" you describe, even if done today, is still a crime unless you also install the required number of U.S.-made parts.)

[jriera]

Some good reading in another forum --> http://fivesevenforum.net/showthread.php?t=9754

Sorry for the link, but is too long to copy

[competentone]

Originally Posted by jriera

Some good reading in another forum --> http://fivesevenforum.net/showthread.php?t=9754

Sorry for the link, but is too long to copy

Be careful at the fiveseven forum -- I was banned from that forum for raising questions about the effectiveness of 5.7x28 round.

For the founder and some of his friends on the forum, the 5.7 is like a "religion" -- there still can be some good information gleaned from the forum, but be careful if you raise any questions about the lethality of the 5.7 round!

[jriera]

Thanks, been there for a while but my post count is low .... I 'feel' what are you talking about, I'm there for the technical information and trying not to make any waves ...

Regarding the lethality .... I don't want to be in the wrong side of ANY weapon/bullet to 'experience' the effects.... just in case...

Originally Posted by competentone

Be careful at the fiveseven forum -- I was banned from that forum for raising questions about the effectiveness of 5.7x28 round.

For the founder and some of his friends on the forum, the 5.7 is like a "religion" -- there still can be some good information gleaned from the forum, but be careful if you raise any questions about the lethality of the 5.7 round!