F1 spoiler, stupid move of the day - Page 3

legion · 06-09-2008, 07:38 AM

Why they heck do they even have a red light at the end of the pits?

Seems to me if the pits are open, then you should be able to exit them as well.

Jims5543 · 06-09-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by legion

Why they heck do they even have a red light at the end of the pits?

Seems to me if the pits are open, then you should be able to exit them as well.

They turn on the red when its unsafe to exit the pits like when the safety car is passing by with the procession of cars behind it, which is exactly why the exit was closed in this incident then opened up about 3 seconds after Hambone hit Kimi. The procession had just cleared making it safe for the pitted cars to exit again.

In other words it was all Ferrari's fault.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

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Originally Posted by Jim Cesiro

Just to be clear, he took out a 4th place car not a podium car that ended up in the front in the aftermath of the carnage of the day, where was Sutil in Montreal?..

Parked.

Hamilton gave himself a black flag and took out another car due to inattention not at the limit in a braking zone. Besides, Kimi basically took himself out of the points as well in Monaco so in essence, according to your logic, he got a penalty as well. Massa did not crash so he was given his penalty immediately, I am willing to bet that if Massa had wrecked before they told him to park he would have been penalized in the next race as well.

All things being equal then Hambone deserved another penalty in the next race and he got it.

geez Jim, back away from the Tifosi....

My point is that when Kimi hit Sutil, Sutil was not a backmarker, he was in contention for a podium spot. Imho Kimi didn't deserve a penalty for that move - it was a racing incident. It was just a shame for Sutil and Force India.

And didn't McLaren get a tiny penalty last year?

in the end its just a stupid race...no need to blow a gasket over it (heh...I made a funny).

tchanson · 06-09-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Cesiro

Just to be clear, he took out a 4th place car not a podium car that ended up in the front in the aftermath of the carnage of the day,

If its clarity being sought, then it should be pointed out that in Monaco Sutil was not even a 4th place car, let alone a podium contender. At best, Sutil would have been 10th after the imposition of penalties that became moot after the Kimster punted him. Gascoyne's protests were amusing in retrospect.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080602093137.shtml

Steward Paul Gutjahr confirmed: "We would have had to give him (Sutil) a 25-second penalty, because he overtook three cars under yellow flags after the Alonso-Heidfeld collision at the hairpin."

A 25-second penalty would have dropped Sutil from fourth to at least 10th place.

Doesn't make Kimi's move any less boneheaded, however.

Tim

Aerkuld · Aerkuld's Garage

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Originally Posted by Jim Cesiro

...In other words it was all Ferrari's fault.

I know you're joking Jim but actually it was Sutil's fault as it was his incident which brought out the safety car.
Ironic really when you think about it.

Seric · 06-09-2008, 07:56 AM

Was really happy to see Kubica & BMW win, it's well deserved.

Hamilton needed to one-up his pops I guess? Thankfully I can relish the 10 spot grid penalty, but did he have to run into "my" driver? Oh well...

BRPORSCHE · 06-09-2008, 07:56 AM

Ha it was. Irony is pretty funny. The inadequacy of Canda's marshalls is staggering.

Jims5543 · 06-09-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tchanson

If its clarity being sought, then it should be pointed out that in Monaco Sutil was not even a 4th place car, let alone a podium contender. At best, Sutil would have been 10th after the imposition of penalties that became moot after the Kimster punted him. Gascoyne's protests were amusing in retrospect.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080602093137.shtml

Steward Paul Gutjahr confirmed: "We would have had to give him (Sutil) a 25-second penalty, because he overtook three cars under yellow flags after the Alonso-Heidfeld collision at the hairpin."

A 25-second penalty would have dropped Sutil from fourth to at least 10th place.

Doesn't make Kimi's move any less boneheaded, however.

Tim

Thanks for clearing that up I totally forgot about that, so Sutil would have been pushed back a few places even if he did get on the podium, which he would not have.

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Originally Posted by Aerkuld

I know you're joking Jim but actually it was Sutil's fault as it was his incident which brought out the safety car.
Ironic really when you think about it.

I was joking?

cairns · 06-09-2008, 08:27 AM

So Kimi was paying attention when he lost control of his car and ran into Sutil?

Jims5543 · 06-09-2008, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cairns

So Kimi was paying attention when he lost control of his car and ran into Sutil?

I would say a tad more than DC the day before when DC was in the dry and Kimi was in the wet.

Aerkuld · Aerkuld's Garage

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Originally Posted by cairns

So Kimi was paying attention when he lost control of his car and ran into Sutil?

Kimi Raikkonen:
"...Obviously anyone can make mistakes, as I did two weeks ago in Monaco, but it's one thing to make a mistake at two hundered miles per hour but another to hit a car stopped at a red light. I am not angry because that doesn't achieve anything and does not change the result!"

Aerkuld · Aerkuld's Garage

Personally I think Kimi did an amazing job keeping it off the wall, however if Sutil hand't been there to help him brake for the corner it might have gone really pear-shaped.

Jims5543 · 06-09-2008, 09:14 AM

Looked to me like Sutil was holding up the pack prior to the accident, saying we was going on to a podium is optimistic at best.

Aerkuld - I think if Sutil had not been there when Kimi lost it Kimi would have blown the chicane. Maybe, who knows, lots of ifs.

DC with not so peachy results:

Jims5543 · 06-09-2008, 09:18 AM

Hehehehe... gotta love Kimi's pat on the back and point to the lights.

sammyg2 · 06-09-2008, 09:41 AM

In Monaco, Kimi lost control of his car under extreme braking and hit another car. Bad judgment? maybe. Was the other car over-braking? Maybe. But it was a racing incident, no matter if it was bad judgment. Hitting another car in the pits stopped at a red light is not the same. It is someone simply not paying attention by his own admission.

livi · 06-09-2008, 10:06 AM

I can just imagine the exact fraction of a second when Hamilton realizes the inevitable - "ah crap"..

Impressed by the cool, Nordic temper of Kimi - patting and pointing. I can envision Alonso's reaction in the same position..

Noah930 · Noah930's Garage

Gotta wonder what it feels like to pull such a numnutz move, and then instantly be surrounded by a camera crew. As in, a guy with a camera on his shoulder 2 feet from your face, as you're still stuck in the cockpit, comprehending just what happened. Good thing to be wearing a full face helmet at that point. Musta been a million degrees inside of it.

Surprisingly cool-headed by Kimi. Then again, he is the Ice Man.

Congrats to Bob Kubeetsa. Not to take away from the car BMW-Sauber has put together this year, but Kubica has driven incredibly this season.

Jims5543 · 06-09-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by nostatic

geez Jim, back away from the Tifosi....

What are you trying to say? I am a fanatic or something?

rusnak · 06-09-2008, 11:01 AM

Jim, stop with the Ferrari are victims against a vast anti-red conspiracy drivel.

You sound like Hillary...or Bill lately.

Just because everyone else who is a racing fan isn't Ferrari's apologist like the FIA board doesn't mean that Ferrari is being victimized. Give it a break and contribute to the conversation already.

I think Hamilton deserved the penalty. There was immediate speculation that it would be a 10 spot penalty. But I think the FIA are making a precedent with harsh penalties. Soon it will be impossible to not ruin a team and driver's season for mistakes like this. And who suffers? The ticket buying fans. How will this affect Magny Cours...hmmm. I agree that penalties need to be lighter in general to preserve racing. Harsh penalties should be reserved for dangerous or intentional cheating type of driver maneuver.

Jims5543 · 06-09-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rusnak

Jim, stop with the Ferrari are victims against a vast anti-red conspiracy drivel.

You sound like Hillary...or Bill lately.

Just because everyone else who is a racing fan isn't Ferrari's apologist like the FIA board doesn't mean that Ferrari is being victimized. Give it a break and contribute to the conversation already.

According to Hammy, it seems its now Kimi's fault. What were you saying about Ferrari being victims?

Remember, Its always Ferrari's fault and Ferrari is always cheating.