Principal differences between gay marriages and polygamy?

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by billwagnon

So slavery is okay? And you never eat shrimp?

The Bible is a document that tells things as they really happened. Slavery was something that was prevalent in those days. The Bible is mearly telling people how to treat the slaves that they already have. Many of the biblical patriarchs had multiple wives. This does not mean that God condones it, rather the Bible is portraying the events as they actually occurred. People always make the mistake that just because something is in the bible God automatically condones it. As far as eating shrimp. This has nothing to do with moral absolutes, this is another instance where people were putting to much emphasis on working their way to salvation by means of fasting, eating certain foods, ect. Christ came to abolish the old rules and regulations that were used to obtain salvation. Gods absolute standards of his moral laws have never changed. We all know where God stands on murder, stealing, adultury, homosexuality, ect. These standards will never change.

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Um...I think that's a bit wrong there. They either want equal rights for their relationships that heteros have, or they want all of those rights taken away from everyone.

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

I don't hear the average homosexual asking for "protected status" in any way shape or form...in fact, it seems to be the heteros that are against gay marriage that are howling for "protected status"..."protect" our marriage unions, make us "special" people since we're hetero, please hear our plea Mr. Government!!

Sorry, but you are just flat out wrong. That is the very crux of their argument. They want equal rights on the basis that they had no choice in being gay, that they were "born that way" That is why they constantly compare themselves to women and minorities. You see, if you just choose to be something you don't necessarily have a natural right to express it. That is why polygamy does not fly here in the US. If polygamists could somehow convince the population that they were born that way, than they would have a much greater chance of legalizing it.

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Well then, since Jesus (if he ever existed) said nothing against or regarding homosexuality, I will expect you to back equal rights for gays.

I forget that I may be speaking to some people who don't have a complete grasp of Christianity. To clarify, the old law is antiquated as a means for obtaining salvation. Gods stance on homosexuality has not changed nor will it. This is where one needs to read the entire Bible to understand how God views certain things and his overall plan for mankind, instead of looking for that one sound bite scripture to answer every question. Just read Genesis in its entirety and you will have no confusion on how God views homosexuality, murder, incest, adultery, stealing, lying and just about everything else. And if you would like some New Testament to read, try Romans. It talks about most of these issues in detail.

[Normy]

There is no comparison between polygamy and gay marriage.

The poster just wants to ape fundamentalist christian ideology.

I will post this: If you can ban gay marriage....what else can you ban? Perhaps next you will do what www.nsm88.com wants, and ban marriages between persons of different races, or even between persons of different religions~

Back in the 1950's, it was a TOTAL taboo to marry a catholic if you were protestant!

-John McCain wants to bring that situation back......

N!

PS: I'll marry and have sex with who I want....despite the Republican party!

[Normy]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

I forget that I may be speaking to some people who don't have a complete grasp of Christianity. To clarify, the old law is antiquated as a means for obtaining salvation. Gods stance on homosexuality has not changed nor will it. This is where one needs to read the entire Bible to understand how God views certain things and his overall plan for mankind, instead of looking for that one sound bite scripture to answer every question. Just read Genesis in its entirety and you will have no confusion on how God views homosexuality, murder, incest, adultery, stealing, lying and just about everything else. And if you would like some New Testament to read, try Romans. It talks about most of these issues in detail.

"God" and "Donald Duck" have one thing in common: they are both fictional characters...

N!

[Normy]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

I forget that I may be speaking to some people who don't have a complete grasp of Christianity. To clarify, the old law is antiquated as a means for obtaining salvation. Gods stance on homosexuality has not changed nor will it. This is where one needs to read the entire Bible to understand how God views certain things and his overall plan for mankind, instead of looking for that one sound bite scripture to answer every question. Just read Genesis in its entirety and you will have no confusion on how God views homosexuality, murder, incest, adultery, stealing, lying and just about everything else. And if you would like some New Testament to read, try Romans. It talks about most of these issues in detail.

So now how do you deal with the conflict of personalities that Donald Duck has with Mickey Mouse? I guess your bible doesn't handle that, so you probably just draw a blank~

Now I'm sure Fred Flintstone must figure in there someplace. "Apostle" or something like that? I figure that Fred and Wilma are pretty much saints. Barny and Betty? They can wait a decade. And Homer Simpson...he's sure to be a saint one of these years. I just know I want to sample that good "Duff Beer" that he's always pounding....

heh!

N

[vash]

now just hold on one cotton pickin second! didnt some guy named LOT get locked up in a cave, only to have sex with his daughters????

ok, i get how the christians view gay folks. that is crystal clear. but what if a gay person do if he/she doesnt believe in the bible? can you not just sleep well knowing your place in heaven is all done up, and ready for you, and just let others do as they want?? why spend all this energy judging? i dont get it. i really dont.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by vash

now just hold on one cotton pickin second! didnt some guy named LOT get locked up in a cave, only to have sex with his daughters????

ok, i get how the christians view gay folks. that is crystal clear. but what if a gay person do if he/she doesnt believe in the bible? can you not just sleep well knowing your place in heaven is all done up, and ready for you, and just let others do as they want?? why spend all this energy judging? i dont get it. i really dont.

Christians can't stand it if someone else thinks differently than they do. Kills 'em. I've never seen a bigger bunch of intolerant people in my life.

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by vash

now just hold on one cotton pickin second! didnt some guy named LOT get locked up in a cave, only to have sex with his daughters????

Although somewhat true your distorting the facts.
And what was the result of the children? If you dont know than you havent read the entire story. You will see that God greatly disproved of this. But I will let you find out for yourself what happened to the children. This is another example of someone pointing to a story in the Bible and automatically making the connection that God approves. Why not say that God approved of the Devil tricking Eve in the garden? Thats in the Bible too.[/B]ok, i get how the christians view gay folks. that is crystal clear. but what if a gay person do if he/she doesn't believe in the bible? can you not just sleep well knowing your place in heaven is all done up, and ready for you, and just let others do as they want?? why spend all this energy judging? i dont get it. i really dont.

What is anyone to do if they dont believe in the Bible? Gay people are no worse off than anyone else who rejects Gods word. God is an equal opportunity rejector of those who dismiss him.

It is ultimately rejecting God, be you gay or straight that will deny you his presence later.

[Tim Hancock]

[QUOTE=Normy;4008838]There is no comparison between polygamy and gay marriage.

QUOTE]

Yep, I agree, polygamists are more in line with nature although I don't think govt should create new law to encourage it either..... Once again, my opinions have nothing to do with religion..... I get just about as disgusted by folks who flaunt and try to push their religion on others as I do homosexuals.

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by Normy

There is no comparison between polygamy and gay marriage.

The poster just wants to ape fundamentalist christian ideology.

I will post this: If you can ban gay marriage....what else can you ban? Perhaps next you will do what www.nsm88.com wants, and ban marriages between persons of different races, or even between persons of different religions~

I will post this: If you can allow gay marriage...what else can you allow? Incest maybe? Dont two consenting adults have a right to marry??? Tell me? Back in the 1950's, it was a TOTAL taboo to marry a catholic if you were protestant!

-John McCain wants to bring that situation back......

N!
Lets try and stay on topic please
PS: I'll marry and have sex with who I want....despite the Republican party!

Im sure you will

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock

Yep, I agree, polygamists are more in line with nature although I don't think govt should create new law to encourage it either..... Once again, my opinions have nothing to do with religion..... I get just about as disgusted by folks who flaunt and try to push their religion on others as I do homosexuals.

I see nothing wrong with a guy having multiple wives. I mean, if anyone is truly that stupidly masochistic, i say go for it.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

I forget that I may be speaking to some people who don't have a complete grasp of Christianity. To clarify, the old law is antiquated as a means for obtaining salvation. Gods stance on homosexuality has not changed nor will it. This is where one needs to read the entire Bible to understand how God views certain things and his overall plan for mankind, instead of looking for that one sound bite scripture to answer every question. Just read Genesis in its entirety and you will have no confusion on how God views homosexuality, murder, incest, adultery, stealing, lying and just about everything else. And if you would like some New Testament to read, try Romans. It talks about most of these issues in detail.

No, what you keep forgetting is that I have studied comparative religions for years (masters level) and have continualy have had to deal with "christians" who want to apply their beliefs to all others. And also love to pick and choose just which bible verse they want to follow. I read Latin, Greek and some Egyptian and Hebrew, so I have a very good understanding of what the bible originally said as well as the re-written and edited bible used today.

Your own previous statement contradicts the position you've taken above. "The old law is antiquated now. The new law is simply Love God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor. This pretty much sums it all up. This is one of the reasons that Christ came. You probably notice that we no longer sacrifice animals anymore. Christ was a sacrifice once and for all".

But now you claim that some of the old laws and opinions are still valid and you know which ones are or aren't still in play. Oh yeah, I forgot, you claim god gave you "special knowledge". That explains it totally. I will never understand the reason people follow certified kooks that hear voices or speak to invisible freinds.

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

No, what you keep forgetting is that I have studied comparative religions for years (masters level) and have continualy have had to deal with "christians" who want to apply their beliefs to all others. And also love to pick and choose just which bible verse they want to follow. I read Latin, Greek and some Egyptian and Hebrew, so I have a very good understanding of what the bible originally said as well as the re-written and edited bible used today.

Your own previous statement contradicts the position you've taken above. "The old law is antiquated now. The new law is simply Love God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor. This pretty much sums it all up. This is one of the reasons that Christ came. You probably notice that we no longer sacrifice animals anymore. Christ was a sacrifice once and for all".

But now you claim that some of the old laws and opinions are still valid and you know which ones are or aren't still in play. Oh yeah, I forgot, you claim god gave you "special knowledge". That explains it totally. I will never understand the reason people follow certified kooks that hear voices or speak to invisible freinds.

But you knew that

Once again my little Biblical scholar. The old law is antiquated AS A MEANS OF SALVATION Do I need to make it any more clearer: Pre Christ: Salvation through adherence to the law. Post Christ: Salvation by grace through Christ. So the law is obsolete only in regards to how one obtains salvation.

[Rodsrsr]

Im sorry RPKESQ, but judging from your last post, I seriously doubt that you have even read the Bible. These are rudimentary Christian principles that are the basics of the Christian faith. I never claimed to know anything from a divine nature that is not taught in the Bible. Like I said, if you actually read the entire Bible you would be crystal clear as to where God stood on the position of this thread.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

The Bible is a document that tells things as they really happened. Slavery was something that was prevalent in those days. The Bible is mearly telling people how to treat the slaves that they already have.

Simply laughable, Rocket.

Exodus 21:2
If thou buy an Hebrew servant....

Exodus 21:7
If a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant....

Exodus 21:20-21
And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

Exodus 22:3
If he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

Leviticus 22:11
If the priest buy any soul with his money....

Leviticus 25:39
And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee....

Leviticus 25:44-46
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever.

Ephesians 6:5
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.

Colossians 3:22
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

1 Timothy 6:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

Titus 2:9-10
Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again; Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

1 Peter 2:18
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

[Rot 911]

People on here sure seem pretty intolerant of Christians. Next thing you know they will be wanting segregation.

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by stuartj

Simply laughable, Rocket.

Exodus 21:2
If thou buy an Hebrew servant....

Exodus 21:7
If a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant....

Exodus 21:20-21
And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

Exodus 22:3
If he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

Leviticus 22:11
If the priest buy any soul with his money....

Leviticus 25:39
And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee....

Leviticus 25:44-46
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever.

Ephesians 6:5
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.

Colossians 3:22
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

1 Timothy 6:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

Titus 2:9-10
Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again; Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

1 Peter 2:18
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

As we already know, slavery was common in the Middle East as far back as ancient Egypt. If God had simply ignored it, then there would have been no rules for their treatment and they could have treated them harshly with no rights. But since they did have rights and rules for their protection, it showed that God cared for them as well. However, this is often misconstrued for an endorsement of slavery, which it is not. God listed slave traders among the worst of sinners in 1 Timothy 1:10 (kidnappers/men stealers/slave traders). This is no new teaching as Moses was not fond of forced slavery either: Exodus 21:16He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death.
Here are some more posts that are copied for you.
A few pointers to remember:

Slaves under Mosaic Law were different from the harshly treated slaves of other societies, more like servants or bondservants.
The Bible doesn’t give an endorsement of slave traders but the opposite (1 Timothy 1:10). A slave/bondservant was acquired when a person voluntarily entered into it when he needed to pay off his debts.
The Bible recognizes that slavery is a reality in this sin-cursed world and doesn’t ignore it, but instead gives regulations for good treatment by both masters and servants and reveals they are equal under Christ.
Israelites could sell themselves as a slave/bondservant to have their debts covered, make a wage, have housing and be set free after six years. Foreigners could sell themselves as a slave/bondservant as well.
Biblical Christians led the fight to abolish slavery.

[NICKG]

Originally Posted by Kurt V

People on here sure seem pretty intolerant of Christians. Next thing you know they will be wanting segregation.

hahaha..that is funny. Some people have very Strong beliefs...and they cannot understand or accept others views.
GOD did NOT write the bible...PEOPLE wrote the bible...hence PEOPLE wrote what they wanted others to do.
The bible was more a tool to coerce, oppress and distort a good message into a sad control of people...nothing more
I have said this before. MORE PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN THE NAME OF RELIGION THAN IN ALL WARS PUT TOGETHER

How exactly does gay marriage make people want to be incestuous? Doesn't the catholic church have a license for clergy to be pedophileshse..aren't there numerous Christian enclaves that are polygamists? (Mormons?)

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

No, what you keep forgetting is that I have studied comparative religions for years (masters level)...

What a shame, that you quite clearly did not learn anything. Oh, rote memorization and an ability to quote others' work is one thing; some even consider that an "education". Understanding, however, comes at a level you have simply not achieved. That much has been made abundantly clear in your time here with us on PPOT.

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

Im sorry RPKESQ, but judging from your last post, I seriously doubt that you have even read the Bible. These are rudimentary Christian principles that are the basics of the Christian faith. I never claimed to know anything from a divine nature that is not taught in the Bible. Like I said, if you actually read the entire Bible you would be crystal clear as to where God stood on the position of this thread.

Anyone here that has engaged our friend RPKESQ in any sort of religious debate has eventually arrived at the same conclusion.