So much for swift Justice

[Pazuzu]

Mr. X is a stand up guy, really. He only cares about his community and the people around him.





I hoped after the tears in his eyes during the press conference about those kids that maybe, just maybe, something had clicked in his dark rotten heart, like the Grinch, and he would stop this showboating and rabble rousing.

I guess not.

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by Tobra

I guess more accurately I should say the Judge in this case and I obviously know less about the law and the case than the pillar of logic, Pazuzu.

Try that again kid, but this time, speak English. you make no sense. When in the hell did I say anything the judge knowing or not knowing anything about the law or the case...and for that freaking matter, when in the hell did I say anything about YOU knowing such thing? YOU are the child that is attacking me here, keep up, it's not that hard.

Now, WTF are you talking about???

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

OK...what about mine? I'm still wondering why you would decide to fall in with the kind of crowd that (1) would claim that these men were MS-13 and (2) seem to think that such data then justifies them being slaughtered via premeditated murder.

So, please please PLEASE find me some facts showing that these guy were MS-13, and not just some ragamuffin thieves. I won't even bother with arguing whether Joe Horn should be put to trial or not, I jsut want to see where these "facts" are coming from, and why you would post them as if they were actually "facts".

Why is it that liberals always defend criminal, , they were caught in the act of committing a crime, they were illegally here, I say good riddance to the trash!!! We should be shooting them at the boarder & cut all monies going to mexico!!!

Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Why is it that liberals always defend criminal, , they were caught in the act of committing a crime, they were illegally here, I say good riddance to the trash!!! We should be shooting them at the boarder & cut all monies going to mexico!!!

Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

Truer words were never written.

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Why is it that liberals always defend criminal, , they were caught in the act of committing a crime, they were illegally here, I say good riddance to the trash!!! We should be shooting them at the boarder & cut all monies going to mexico!!!

Who's a liberal, and who's defending criminals? Did you guys get a group buy on blinders?

Oh, and "shoot them all at the border" thing...yeah, that ain't gonna fly...spend some time on the border and then say that with a straight face. It's a really really big place, with lots of things that want to eat you, and the illegals don't really show very well, even with an IR scope. You'd last about 12 hours out there before you pulled up camp, went back to the Motel 6 and started drinking Coronas while watching Fox News.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Who's a liberal, and who's defending criminals? Did you guys get a group buy on blinders?

Oh, and "shoot them all at the border" thing...yeah, that ain't gonna fly...spend some time on the border and then say that with a straight face. It's a really really big place, with lots of things that want to eat you, and the illegals don't really show very well, even with an IR scope. You'd last about 12 hours out there before you pulled up camp, went back to the Motel 6 and started drinking Coronas while watching Fox News.

Why are you defending people who were committing a crime, are you related to them or something?? Motel 6, I think not. Yes, a big area, and if the illegals & those helping them start getting shot instead of a ride,, they might think before the try & sneak back in. You are the only one wearing blinders. So you would ignore it if your 85 year old neighbor was getting her home broken in??? Yea, call the cops so they can get there after the illegals you ignored raped & robbed her

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Why are you defending people who were committing a crime, are you related to them or something??

I'LL YELL SO YOU CAN FREAKING HEAR ME!!! WHEN DID I DEFEND THESE TWO PEOPLE??? WTF is wrong with you? Please please PLEASE show me where I defending them in any way shape or form? They were illegally here, multiply convicted criminals that were robbing a house in daylight, there is nothing about them that is defensible, so I don't know how in the heck you could possibly, in any way shape or form, state that I was defending them.

Jeezus this board is full of daft loonies!

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

....Jeezus this board is full of daft loonies!

But you can't stop visiting either can ya ? You're going to shoot you blood pressure right through the roof if you don't "let it roll right off"...

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by KC911

But you can't stop visiting either can ya ? You're going to shoot you blood pressure right through the roof if you don't "let it roll right off"...

Na, I spent years tossing crap back and forth on message boards, it's no big deal

I'm right up there with the best of 'em at e-thugging

[arerrac]

rabble rousing??????????????????

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

What are the odds he gets bankrupted by the civil suit?

Zero. Castle Law passed last session.

[red-beard]

Hey Mike, Texes is a "bawling child" ? Compared to what and for what? The rest of your sentance makes Texas sound like an Adult society compared to where you are from. We take responsibility for ourselves and help and look out for neighbors and strangers alike.

If'n ya don't like it, Hwy 6 runs both ways! (That is an Aggie expression).

[911pcars]

There was a similar case, here in CA a few years ago as I recall.

Home owner was exasperated with neighborhood kids stealing his Halloween pumpkins. One night, some kids took (stole) a pumpkin. He confronted them in their car as they were driving away, shot at them and killed a young kid.

The circumstances are similar to the TX case with Mr. Horn except he wasn't talking to a 911 operator.

Let's see. How can we justify this one?

BTW, in some middle eastern countries, they have an eye-for-an-eye system of justice. That seems more lenient than what happened here, and those countries aren't known for leniency. But that's according to their criminal justice system. Mr. Horn's or Mr. Pumpkin's situation wasn't anywhere related to a court of law.

Sherwood

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Hey Mike, Texes is a "bawling child" ? Compared to what and for what?

Arizona. Try to keep up with them, you won't. They have better gun laws, better self-defense laws, and the people there actually (except for the LA transplants in Phoenix) understand personal rights and the suppression of government.

If'n ya don't like it, Hwy 6 runs both ways! (That is an Aggie expression).

Only an Aggie would think that some Aggie expression gives them ANY credence in the real world. Everyone else just laughs at them...

[Tobra]

Sheila Jackson Lee is stepping up to the plate, she will be playing the race card faster than you can say Quanell X

Just saw her talking about the "victims" having their civil rights violated, making a federal case out of the "problems" with the Harris County legal system.

Sherwood, the facts are not similar, and the pertinent laws are totally different. If you shoot a serial killer with a great big knife trying to break into your home in California, you are guilty of manslaughter minimum if you kill them outside your home. In Cali, they have to be in your house, and you must be in fear for your life.

If you listen to the tape, it sounds like he went into his front yard with a shotgun, they approached, he shot one and the other ran off...how exactly is he not defending himself when two guys he just watched commit a felony come at him on his property?

[911pcars]

Your interpretation sounds reasonable. Not sure that's exactly what happened.

"If you shoot a serial killer with a great big knife trying to break into your home in California, you are guilty of manslaughter minimum if you kill them outside your home. In Cali, they have to be in your house, and you must be in fear for your life."

Let's say you're correct in the sequence of events.

Was Mr. Horn in fear for his life, trying to prevent a crime or delivering vigilante justice? If the second man were running away, what's the justification for shooting him in the back? Weren't both shot in the back? To me, running in the opposite direction doesn't seem to be a threatening position, especially with a home owner possessing a shotgun, but I wasn't there. As I said before, the status of the two victims is irrelevant. Prior to the shooting. Mr. Horn purportedly didn't know them, thus their immigration status and crime record shouldn't be a justification for shooting them. If instead, the victims were neighborhood prankster kids, would the judge/jury render the same verdict? If not, imho that would be an application of a double standard.

I'm sure you'll agree that a minor detail or reporting of can change the complexion of any scenario.

Sherwood

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

Your interpretation sounds reasonable. Not sure that's exactly what happened.

"If you shoot a serial killer with a great big knife trying to break into your home in California, you are guilty of manslaughter minimum if you kill them outside your home. In Cali, they have to be in your house, and you must be in fear for your life."

Let's say you're correct in the sequence of events.

Was Mr. Horn in fear for his life, trying to prevent a crime or delivering vigilante justice? If the second man were running away, what's the justification for shooting him in the back? Weren't both shot in the back? To me, running in the opposite direction doesn't seem to be a threatening position, especially with a home owner possessing a shotgun, but I wasn't there. As I said before, the status of the two victims is irrelevant. Prior to the shooting. Mr. Horn purportedly didn't know them, thus their immigration status and crime record shouldn't be a justification for shooting them. If instead, the victims were neighborhood prankster kids, would the judge/jury render the same verdict? If not, imho that would be an application of a double standard.

I'm sure you'll agree that a minor detail or reporting of can change the complexion of any scenario.

Sherwood

To keep the bastards from coming back or robbing anyonme else

There is a very easy way not to get killed, don't rob someone, runniung away or not, if you hadn't tried to break in no one would haver shot you!!! No loss when a crook dies!!!