The Dillon 650 performance evaluation

[speeder]

So this will be like the Iraq war, where it was supposed to take a couple months and make you look good for doing it but instead will still be dragging out 5 years from now ? And people will think that you're the dumbest fuch they've ever seen?

Perfect hero for you, numb-chucks.

[Milu]

Have you looked at the primers themselves? Are they all the same make/lot? It may be worthwhile measuring the ones that foul against the ones that don't.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by snowman

I think the primer feed system is where the problem is....

My hero, GW Bush, has a saying, it ain't over till its over, you can't put a time frame on some things.

George Bush hates primers! Actually he probably likes 'em...primers like "Dick & Jane" have nice illustrations that help one understand the "bigger picture".

[Paul T]

Joe, you may as well just buy another machine, who knows when or if you'll ever get this one. In fact if I were you, I'd back out of the transaction and let snowy keep it - you have every right to. Of course I'm sure if you did he'd scream like a girl that you backed out of the deal!

[Paul T]

Oops - forgot I'm not supposed to make non-relevant comments, I'm in trouble now.

[jeffgrant]

4+ years and counting... me thinks Joe has a bit of a wait in store.

[snowman]

I have talked to Dillon about primers. Every time it is, ok we have been having problems with that kind lately. Give me a fking break. I am going to use CCI BR2 primers because Federal 210M s are not available due to the war. I suspect the result would be the same with most primers. Besides, when you buy a 650 they don't say, we suggest, or require that you use brand X primers, of this specific lot, to work. I have tried Winchester LR, and WRLM, Federal 210, CCI, CCI BR2, and even Model Perfect Mag. No. 500. All have similar results so far. Consequently I am going with a very middle of the road, high quality primer, the CCI BR2 LR.

As a curiosity, just why are some of you all defending the 650 with such zeal? Do you work for Dillon? Or is it you don't have a fking clue and just want to seem important? I would think an honest person would want to know the bottom line and THEN analyze whats going on and form an opinion. Many of you seem to have a pre determined opinion based on nothing than your own fantasy. The only honest remark I have seen so far admits to primer issues, although they did not say how big the issue was with them or with what size shell. I suspect that with 45ACP or similar the machine works just fine. In fact thats the only size I have seen them demoed at the local gun stores. I am using large rifle, 45-70 and 0.308. Compare apples to apples when you do compare. Everything makes a difference.

I do not expect an inexpensive machine, like the 650 is, to perform flawlessly. However I do not expect it to blow holes in my ceiling or break my ear drums. Good re loaders cost 10's of thousands of dollars, less expensive ones should be expected to have "issues", just not big bang issues. I do not need a http://www.ammoload.com/ Camdex http://camdexloader.com/ or higher quality reloader, just one that functions reliably, whatever the cost. It may very well be that only a single stage reloader can accomplish this task for less than bo koo bucks, thats ok with me, just say so when you sell it to me.

[vash]

i dont think everyone is defending the dillon. it is YOU they are questioning.

[snowman]

No sht sherlock, and WHY?

All I originally stated was a simple FACT, the Dillon 650 seems to blow up in the users face, which it has for me on several occasions and for many others, as documented on the vast amount of internet postings by other 650 owners with the exact same problem!

Lets proceed from there, shall we?

[vash]

heheheh. funny. i think you are a funny dude. is there anyone waiting for your dillon evaluation here? i'm not. i just check in from time to time, just to see if the press sold to joe yet...

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by snowman

No sht sherlock, and WHY?

All I originally stated was a simple FACT

Please, let me define FACT for you.

This, is fact:

Originally Posted by snowman

I am getting rid of the 650 before it hurts me, part of the reason I am looking for a better press. Anyone want to make a good offer and its yours.

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Will give you $300 for it if you want to sell it.

Originally Posted by snowman

Joe I will take you up on your offer of $300 for the 650, PM your info and you have it.

This thread we're in right now? not FACT. You have not gotten rid of it before it hurts you again. You have not sold it, and you are completely oblivious to what FACT is.

[Paul T]

I don't know why this thread fascinates me so much but it does....The 3 quotes above so perfectly outline the issue here, but snowy is too dense to see the real reason why this thread keeps going...it's amazing.

[jeffgrant]

Originally Posted by snowman

Or is it you don't have a fking clue and just want to seem important?

The irony is thick in this thread.

[Porsche_monkey]

I feel like moth pulled into the flame. It's so repetetive, he's so mentally ill, so unaware, so self absorbed.

It just gets funnier every page.

Unless your name is Joe and are awaiting delivery of your press....

[KFC911]

It's an absolute FACT that the Dillon 650 will destroy one's reputation and integrity if operated under certain scenarios . However, no claims will be filed against Dillon since the injured party is usually too self absorbed to realize the damage inflicted.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally Posted by jeffgrant

The irony is thick in this thread.

It ain't just the irony that's thick around here. . .

[snowman]

What a bunch of self absorbed nuts habituates this thread. I haven't had so much fun in over 40 years, back in middle school. Jerking a bunch of no nothings around is so much fun I can hardly contain myself.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by snowman

What a bunch of self absorbed nuts habituates this thread.

. . . snip . . .

Just when one thinks the irony is running thick here, it turns to a hardened solid!

[snowman]

yeh, baby!!!

Noticed that I don't give a sht yet??

But I am dead serious about evaluating the 650's performance. Those who give a sht will check it out and find what I come up with is accurate.

[snowman]

Starting evaluation.

Refer to Dillons XL 650 manual, which is available on the internet at Dillons web site. I will be starting at page 20, Rifle Section. This section refers to the resizing steps, which I have no issue with. I use the RCBS precision MIC instead of the Dillon case gauge. I set the resizing die to give me the fire formed case size (in my 0.308 M1A1) minus 0.002", which in my case happens to be equal to the maximum case size for auto loaders. IE any case I resize should fit in any standard chamber and be within spec.

I have shown this photo previously, ie the case in the precision MIC.

I de capped and resized all of my cases, removing them after that step for cleaning and case trimming. As I have shown in a previous photo the trimmed case size is 2.005". I cannot see reloading brass with case lube on it and certainly without trimming, an essential step.

Another reason I remove the brass at this step is that resizing and decapping is the most violent operation, the one that is most likely to upset any other operation, like seating primers. The next step involves unscrewing the resizing die so that it is no longer functional and seating primers, the step with issues.

The sizing die is adjusted down until the required case length, as determined by the Dillon Case Guage or an RCBS precision MIC is reached. Other case gauges are also adequate for this step. The original Dillon resizing die did not have enough capability to adequately resize the case. I had to send it back to Dillon, where they removed about 0.025" from the overall length. The result worked as it should. The conclusion, check everything, assume NOTHING.

This result is certainly a QC issue for Dillon.

In addition I had 36 jams in the case feeder doing 500 cases, about 70 for 1000 cases. Not the end of the world but certainly not a "world class" reloading machine. I have already posted pictures of these jams. NOTHING the user could do to prevent them. My biggest gripe is the plastic guide, it kept falling out, just no excuse for this.

Again this is not a deal killer for me. Its after all, an inexpensive, reloading machine, and a few glitches are expected.