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Is that $20k IN money cash or finance-able? Seems to me, if Snap-On wants a lot of upfront cash, then they have less incentive to help you succeed. If they are financing everything for you, even if you and your credit report are on the hook for it, seems they'd be well motivated to help you succeed.
My first ever sales job had nothing invested in me at all. They showed me the desk and phone and said "go".
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So, much of his tool collection is snap-on. That's because the dealer comes to him, on a regular basis. Oh, the quality is there...thinner, stronger, possibly better fit than Craftsman. But really, it's the service that sells snap-on. I once told this same wrench if I won a lottery, I'd move up to snap on. He responded that if he won a lottery, he'd give me his snap-on stuff, because he'd never work on a car again. I had to chuckle about that truth... My rollaway and most of the tools it contains are Craftsman, with a smattering of snap-on, gearwrench, proto, SK, etc. RoninLB can testify that they work well enough from his visit here last summer. Oh, I gave Ron my snap-on 13mm dizzy wrench. Figured I wouldn't need it any more. ![]() I digressed....it seems to me that anybody considering a snap-on truck as a livelihood well understand the importance of having a good route with good customers, sticking to a sdhedule. These guys need to know they'll see you on Wednesday afternoon...every Wednesday afternoon.
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Snap-on toolboxes are great. They should be made of solid gold for the price they charge, but they are still great toolboxes. Snap-on's ratchets are the best I've used except they are too slippery in most cases. Their nice polished surface on the wrenches and some of their ratchets looks great but is very slippery when oily. Not good. The finish on a snap-on tool is usually better quality but in some cases isn't more practical. Proto has a better, slightly rougher finish and actually "works" better in real life. I really like proto's wrenches but their ratchets aren't tough enough for industrial work. IR makes better pneumatic tools than snap-on. I don't care that much for Snap-on's sockets, they are no different than most of the average stuff out there. The craftsman sockets with the big easy to read numbers on them are prolly better than the snap-on stuff just because of hte markings and are prolly made by the same company. My harbor freight hex key wrenches are as good or better than those from snap-on. My harbor freight "Chicago" screwdrivers are every bit as good as a snap-on. Sometimes snap-on's blue-point tools (which are cheaper, both in price and quality) get mixed in with the real snap-on stuff. I've seen cases where a blue-point tool gets re-labeled a few years later as a regular snap-on tool. Kind of a downgrade in quality with an increase in price. I don't believe that snap-on wrenches, sockets, or screwdrivers fit the heads of nuts or bolts or screws any better than a craftsman, proto, or SK tool. if it don't go, chrome it. A few years ago a friend started showing off his shiny new expensive snap-on tools I asked him "who you trying to impress?" |
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I submitted a resume last night through their online ad and their local guy just called me. They do have a franchise route available right where I would want to be in N. Phoenix and Scottsdale. He said the cost is between $150k-$200k and $40k-$50k of that is needed upfront in cash. No go. Even if I could pull that together, I would have painted myself into such a corner as to teeter on utter financial ruin with the slightest hiccup.
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I can't see that industry not taking an eventual beating with Ebay and the internet providing an alternative avenue with a mouse click. Sure some of the old timers haven't come around to ordering parts online and keep these people busy. But it is just a matter of time before it starts with younger, web savvy owners taking over. When is the last time you ordered parts from a Porsche store compared to ordering something online?
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I visited Jerry Woods shop when I when a buddy an I drove across country a couple of years ago. One of the mechanics was working on a 935 - with a Craftsman wrench. Here's picture of one of the motors laying around the shop:
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Hobbiests have time to shop, wait and deal with dumb ass sellers. Professionals do not, time is money. Part of the Snap On model appears to be just in time (or almost just in time) on some pretty rare odd ball stuff. That and the financing is not something that ebay can deliver. I was in a friend's shop and he had a whole strip of some oddball GM sockets at $50 each that he used "very little" now working for a BMW shop. I don't think you can get those at Sears or online in a hurry. Hard to predict everything you're ever going to need and search that stuff out on ebay and finance it. I think a big part of the Snap on model is also this person to person relationship. RL report back with what you learn.
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I was just on the Snap-On truck the other day with the new young tool guy. He was telling me how he was advised on what to stock his new truck with. The guys make commission on his first order for his truck. The tool guy didn't do his homework very well and the commissioned guy sold him 5 units of some sort of computer tester that cost him $3,000 and retail for $3,500. He was advised by other local Snap-On guys he will never sell one of those.
If you or anyone else reading this decide to operate a tool truck, do your homework. It would have been better for him to invest that $15,000.00 in fast moving tools that can be liquidated anytime anywhere. One of my best friends had an excellent route in the Huntington Beach, Ca. area and made bank. He is retired now in Monterey. Good luck on whatever you do.
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I've learned pretty much all I need to learn at the moment. I can't afford to do this right now. Seems like a relatively cheap way to get a franchise business. But it's more than I can come up with short of convincing the wife it's a do-or-die thing and painting myself into a serious corner. Buying a Dunkin Donuts or McDonald's would be exponentially more expensive and *****tier work. But I wasn't even thinking of doing that. I just need to find a better job, one that's entrpreneurial and has some chance of a serious payoff. What I have now is a steady paycheck with little chance for growth and some chance of a layoff.
My Google ads and affiliate marketing have had some success, but my ad costs were about triple my commissions last month, so I can't continue on that path now either. I need to refine the whole process. The silly thing is that I work from home, so I have the freedom to dabble in other stuff. I just haven't found the right thing yet.
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Yeah, I was kinda wondering where all the Dunkin' Donuts are around here. They have great coffee to compete with Starbucks. I have no desire to be that guy in the old commercials, getting up in the wee hours and saying, "Time to make the donuts." Besides, all the ones I've been to in VA are run by families. I don't think I would be able to trust non-family folks in such positions and I don't have any kids or relatives around here.
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I've yet to meet the owner of a DD hanging out at a DD. Most of the stores in FL are run by Indians (Paki's?) who are famous for keeping it "all in the family". Nonetheless, I believe with good management (and technology), an individual can pull it off.
Heck, we have 3 Starbucks here and NO donut shops (except one "Mexican Bakery" with flies buzzing around inside the displays). ("Why are those raisins moving?" ![]() Last edited by Danny_Ocean; 07-09-2008 at 08:03 PM.. |
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Great article. Must be kinda dated though.
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It doesn't seem like a crazy idea. You could sell the Porsche, Beemer, and/or bike, sell the DC condo, raise the necessary money. If you're really at risk of layoff, probably a good idea to have more ready cash anyway.
You should find some Snap-On drivers to talk to. I'm sure some Pelicans who are mechanics can put you in touch w/ their Snap-On guys. Both in PHX and in other areas. Find out the Snap-On rep business is really like, and whether it is getting better or getting worse over the past 10 years. Snap-On is a publicly traded company. Learn what you can about it. From the SEC filings you may be able to find numbers about how many reps it has, the revenue per rep, and whether those are growing nicely or declining. And other things about the business and industry. Do some research about the independent auto repair shop industry too. Is it a growing industry, or a shrinking one? Are independent mechanics working just on a dwindling pool of older cars, or are they getting their share of work on modern cars too? Suppose in 10 years a significant percent of us are driving electrics, hybrids and fuel-cell cars - are the independent mechanics dying off then, and Snap-On with it? What is the situation in PHX specifically, and this route specifically? Are there more repair shops than there were 10 years ago? Or fewer? Do they seem to be doing well? What happened to the prior Snap-On rep? Also run the numbers on the required investment. How much do you have to pay for the franchise, what's a reasonable rate of return and payback period, so how much do you have to make per year just to get that return. In addition to how much you have to make as compensation for your work. I'm not sure if the work sounds good, or not. On the one hand, you're kind of your own boss, no deadlines or office politics, get to banter with customers, and its a 9 to 5 sort of job. On the other hand, you're driving the same route and seeing the same faces every week, week after week, year after year. Anyway, like I said initially, it doesn't seem like a crazy idea.
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He can't get a cell phone...let alone a credit card...
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