TX to UN - piss off

[BGCarrera32]

This type of situation is exactly why liberal thinking individuals need to be reminded that the suggestion we give up our sovereignty and freedom as a nation to play in the "world court" and "United Nations" will never *ever* yield a morally responsible outcome and runs precisely counter to why this country was founded.

God bless the souls of those two young girls and may their families see a long delayed justice.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

If I were his lawyer, I'd purposely forget to do that for a few years, so I could play that card later.

no doubt this is the case

Originally Posted by red-beard

Wayne, you could always relocate Pelican to Texas! How different would Pasadena,TX or Deer Park,TX be to El Segundo? The refineries and power plants don't look much different...

No state income tax, very business friendly, you could buy a nice house on a lake someplace for a fraction of the cost of a rathole in Cali

I remember when this happened. Shortly after I started my residency. I can see the pics they posted in the paper of those girls if I close my eyes, pretty horrific.

[BGCarrera32]

Unfortunately it gets so hot the roads melt and you have to water your foundation so it doesn't crack, but other than that you're pretty much spot on. A few years back was in downtown Ft. Worth at the midnight hour with the rellies just hanging out...one of the safest places I've been in a long time. And the coppers down there weren't puttin' up with any ***** either.

[Pazuzu]

Did the UN intervene when the American kid was lashed for spitting gum on the street? I don't remember (although I could be wrong) him getting a day with the American consulate...

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Did the UN intervene when the American kid was lashed for spitting gum on the street? I don't remember (although I could be wrong) him getting a day with the American consulate...

I think you mean Michael Faye, who vandalized cars with spray paint in Singapore, which is a bit more than spitting gum. And yes, Clinton personally intervened on his behalf and got his number of caning swats reduced, IIRC. If I ever caught someone messing with one of my cars, they'd beg for a caning over what I'd do to them.

[red-beard]

Do you have any idea what a Toyata Camry costs in Singapore? Something like $100-150K and you have to wait for years for the permit (someone has to die!).

And compare Singapore's government and civil rights to the USA? There is no free spreech in Singapore. Want to try? go there and say something bad about the President. You will be in jail so fast, you will not believe it.

[Rick Lee]

Red-Beard, when you're president, please know I'd love to be your envoy to Singapore.

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I think you mean Michael Faye, who vandalized cars with spray paint in Singapore, which is a bit more than spitting gum. And yes, Clinton personally intervened on his behalf and got his number of caning swats reduced, IIRC. If I ever caught someone messing with one of my cars, they'd beg for a caning over what I'd do to them.

Dammit, you're right, they did talk a lot about the gum spitting thing too.

However, my point remains...did the UN feel the need to intervene? Clinton did it upon his own personal decision, AFAIK...well, I'm sure there was some voter influence, but that's still different than the UN calling out about consulates...

[Pazuzu]

Oh, and in case some of you are drunk or daft right now, but I'm supporting Texas telling the UN to piss off here...just as I'd support Texas telling the US government to piss off if THEY were trying this stunt.

[red-beard]

Maybe we need to get the Texas lawyers a-workin on that Secession thang...

[legion]

Believe it or not, I'm kind of 50/50 on this.

Clearly, in this case, consulting with the Mexican consulate would have meant jack squat. Why? Because by and large, our system of justice is impartial.

However, if I was in some foreign country and accuses of a crime, I'd sure as hell want access to an American Embassy/consulate. Remember the whole Madeline McCain thing? It seemed to me that the Portuguese police didn't have any real leads and accused the parents to drive them from the country and bring the investigation to an abrupt end. (It was embarrassing for the Portuguese government.) In many Asian countries, their justice system is largely based on family reputation. Essentially the ONLY argument made in those courts is: XXX could not have murdered YYY because XXX comes from a respectable family and he would not bring shame upon them. The net effect of this kind of justice is that people from wealthy/influential families never get convicted, while people from poor/common families do. Guess what? Foreigners have no standing in this kind of justice system as their family history is unknown. Other countries have justice systems based on bribes and corruption. Again, I'd sure as hell want access to an American Embassy/Consulate.

[Tobra]

All he would have had to do is say, "Yo soy Mexicano" He just waited 15 years to do so to drag his miserable life out a bit longer

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by legion

However, if I was in some foreign country and accuses of a crime, I'd sure as hell want access to an American Embassy/consulate.

The perps had lived here for many years. Despite their citizenship, they weren't really foreigners.

Anyway, we have a treaty to allow foreigners who get arrested meet with someone from their consulate. I don't have a problem with this. However, it is very much a states' rights issue. I thought there was a SCOTUS ruling on this a few years back, but can't remember exactly.