Do we need change?

[Mule]

Obama is for YOU! He's for everything you want, everything that will make your life easier. Close your eyes & imagine your hearts desire, that's what Obama wants for you.

[The Gaijin]

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts

Obama is such a weak candidate for the Democrats - there were much, much better choices out there. I still don't understand how this fiasco happened...

-Wayne

I am still glad it is not Hilary!

But you are right about Obama. His weaknesses are showing - his swing state numbers in Ohio and Florida are not looking good. He gets 90% of the press attention and 90% of it is positive - and he still can't pull ahead of McCain.

[dipso]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

Please provide evidence that Obama actually supports any of this stuff.

Never mind, I'll do it for you. From Obama's own website:

Immigration:

"Barack Obama's Plan
Obama wants to preserve the integrity of our borders. He supports additional personnel, infrastructure and technology on the border and at our ports of entry.
Obama believes we must fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy and increase the number of legal immigrants to keep families together and meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill.
Obama will remove incentives to enter the country illegally by cracking down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants.
Obama supports a system that allows undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.
Obama believes we need to do more to promote economic development in Mexico to decrease illegal immigration."

That's wierd. There's nothing in there about getting Mexico to give us a barrel of oil per day for each illegal. Hrm, must be a glitch, let's try another.
I thought that was a little weird too, but since we get so much oil from Mexico and one of their largest imports is U.S. dollars from the legals and illegals, maybe a deal could be worked out. I don't know.
Fuel Prices:

"Barack Obama’s Plan
Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Barack Obama has called on the President to enact a second round of economic stimulus to immediately put tax rebates in the pockets of American families to pay for rising energy prices. As president, Obama will enact a tax fairness agenda that provides 150 million workers a “Making Work Pay” tax credit of $500 per person or $1,000 per working family.
* Fully Close the “Enron Loophole”. One of the reasons our energy market is particularly vulnerable to excessive speculation is the so-called “Enron Loophole” which prevents the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) from fully overseeing the oil futures market. As president, Barack Obama will fully close the Enron loophole by requiring that U.S. energy futures trade on regulated exchange to crack down on any excessive speculation in the energy market.
* Ensure That U.S. Energy Futures Cannot be Traded on Unregulated Offshore Exchanges. Barack Obama will limit the price impacts of excessive speculation by preventing traders of U.S. crude oil from routing their transactions through off-shore markets in order to evade speculation limits and also impose reporting requirements.
* Work with Other Countries to Coordinate Regulation of Oil Futures Markets. Barack Obama believes we must work with our other countries to establish uniform approaches to avoiding excessive speculation in commodities futures markets. This effort will help ensure that as the U.S. strengthens oversight and transparency in U.S. exchanges, these efforts are not undermined by overseas trading subject to lax regulations.
Barack Obama does not believe we cannot afford to wait weeks and months more to vigorously investigate whether energy traders and oil companies manipulating the market at the expense of consumers. He is calling on the FTC to immediately expedite its investigation into market manipulation, including in the oil futures markets.
The oil industry has profited greatly—over $150 billion in 2007—due to global instability fueled by conflict in Iraq, failing domestic fiscal policies that have weakened the U.S. dollar and skyrocketing global demand resulting from a lack of investment in alternatives. Barack Obama supports imposing a windfall profits penalty on oil selling at or over $80 per barrel. Revenue from the proposal will be invested in a number of measures to reduce the burden of rising prices on families.
The 68 million acres of stockpiled leases have the potential to produce an additional 4.8 million barrels of oil each day. This would nearly double total U.S. oil production. The Obama plan would force oil and gas companies to either produce or pay a fee on unused federal onshore and offshore leases they are stockpiling.
Obama has called for repealing the oil and gas industry tax breaks that President Bush himself has said himself are unnecessary given today’s strong market incentive for expanding exploration and production.
Cooperate with Oil Importing Nations to Reduce Demand: As new large oil importing nations come on the market, the United States is at the mercy of an ever more volatile oil market. Obama believes we should use existing organizations, like NATO, to make energy security a shared global goal. We should take steps to engage the largest new consumers, China and India, including by inviting them to join the International Energy Agency."

Dammit, foiled again!! There's nothing in there about repealing the Federal gas tax. In fact, Obama wants to RAISE taxes on oil companies. Well, at least we know that won't make the price at the pump go up.
He didn't say repeal taxes, he clearly said "a stay on taxes". At the pump, not at the manufacturer.
Healthcare:

"Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All
Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features:
1. Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
2. Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.
3. Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.
4. Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.
5. Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.
6. Easy enrollment. The new public plan will be simple to enroll in and provide ready access to coverage.
7. Portability and choice. Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.
8. Quality and efficiency. Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met."

Strike three!! Obama is FOR a national healthcare plan. He specifically plans to put in a government run healthcare plan and expand Medicaid and SCHIP.
What? It is a new plan similar to the one congress gets and you can buy in, if you want to. It is not mandatory.
So, Dipso, what have we learned here? First, that someone is making Obama T-shirts and selling them off that Obama for change site. Second, that that person is obviously a conservative. Third, that Obama's positions are actually 180 degrees from what is stated on that site and fourth, that you have no edited-language removed, Z-man clue what the candidate that you support actually plans to do.

Maybe it's a comprehension thing with you guys.

[Nathans_Dad]

Oh. my. God.

I think I figured it out. Dipso has no clue what Obama actually plans to do so he just makes stuff up.

Let me say this again.

1). Obama has no plan to exchange oil for illegals. In fact, Obama plans to legalize any illegal with a "good record" and relax immigration policies to essentially legalize the flow of people across the border.
2). Obama has NO PLAN to put a "stay" on taxes. He plans to do the opposite by raising taxes on oil companies which will be transmitted to us at the pump.
3). Obama is FOR a national healthcare plan which is 180 degrees from what your "Obama for Change" site says is a good idea and what you posted you thought was a good idea.

It's not a comprehension thing, you just don't know wtf you are talking about...but then, why should you be any different from all the other Obama supporters who have no clue what he actually plans to do. I guess it's enough for you that he's young and looks cool.

I cannot wait for the debates, you thought the housing market took a spectacular fall, wait till Obama has to actually articulate and defend his socialist plans under direct fire.

[tobster1911]

Originally Posted by dipso

Or use a newer technology called electricity, powered by hydro electric dams or the sun or the wind

That is NOT what we use to currently. Do you really not know where the majority of electricity comes from? Maybe in the FUTURE but not NOW.

Originally Posted by dipso

I don't care how much money they make, you are supposed to make money in a business. They just might have to work a little harder. I am sure drilling in their existing acreage is not as easy as drilling offshore, but that's the business they are in. If they don't want to, I am sure somebody else will.

Yep I am sure it is so much easier to drill under water than on dry land. Say it with me, "Economical." As in, why should they drill somewhere that will cost more (driving up the end cost) when there are places that are more economic to drill that are being used by foreign powers anyway? FYI, economical does not equal easier. It equals more yield for dollar spent. Has nothing to do with difficulty.

[dipso]

Originally Posted by tobster1911

That is NOT what we use to currently. Do you really not know where the majority of electricity comes from? Maybe in the FUTURE but not NOW.



Yep I am sure it is so much easier to drill under water than on dry land. Say it with me, "Economical." As in, why should they drill somewhere that will cost more (driving up the end cost) when there are places that are more economic to drill that are being used by foreign powers anyway? FYI, economical does not equal easier. It equals more yield for dollar spent. Has nothing to do with difficulty.

Maybe they should drill in your head, I think there is a lot of oil in there.