I Won't forgive Myself, but Hope You will

[Tim Hancock]

I don't care what the history books say, if the guy wiped his azz with his bare hand..... that is just plain nasty.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock

I don't care what the history books say, if the guy wiped his azz with his bare hand..... that is just plain nasty.

And really, isn't that what it's all about?

Supe, you're bordering on troll status.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock

I don't care what the history books say, if the guy wiped his azz with his bare hand..... that is just plain nasty.

Really! Why complicate the issue anymore than this?

[Superman]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

And really, isn't that what it's all about?

Supe, you're bordering on troll status.

Just teasing, Matt. Poking some folks in the ribs. Friendly-like. I'm really not as offensive as you guys imagine.

then again.....yeah, I do like to stir things up a bit. In college, my roommate was an Atheist and a Libertarian. I am Catholic and socialist. Imagine the discussions. We were roommates for three years. I miss those discussions.

[speeder]

He must have loved listening to your ass.

[imcarthur]

Originally Posted by Hawktel

The Problem is that due to issues we have had between the northern European world, and the muslim word have caused a bunch of problems on the transfer of knowledge.

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise!

Ian

[RWebb]

Ayaan Hirsi Ali wants to reform Islam and bring it into the 20th Century -- maybe even the 21st. I agree that everyone hsould learn about her and her efforts.

At one time Islam was by far the most advanced civilization - around 1,000 AD or so. Islam needs to ask itself what happened.

[Mule]

I've seen all this before. They invented all this wonderment, & still lived like barbarians and only have obscure, confused, old books to show the greatness of their culture. Your boy Al Jazari. here's his story.

"In 1206, al-Jazari published a book in which he demonstrated some understanding of the use of a crank for producing reciprocal rotary motion. "No secure evidence evidence for it is found in Europe earlier than c. 1405" (White 1962:111). The crank had been understood at least as early as Archimedes, but presumably forgotten in the Dark Ages."

I don't expect you to believe me so below is their story. As you're reading it, ask yourself why this "great" culture was herding goats in the desert & wiping their asses with their hands, until the white devil arrived?

You see Islam in America whenever you use shampoo a product introduced to London by Mahomed’s Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759. You have all heard to Icarus and Dedulas, but you never hear about Abbas ibn Firnas a man who jumped from the minaret of the mosque in Cordoba in 852 and flew for a few minutes. Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. Jabir ibn Hayyan invented Sulphuric and Nitric Acid as well as Al-cohol. al-Jazari invented the crank-shaft to raise water for irrigation. The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq. Muslims doctors also invented anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes in a technique still used today.

The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes. One has to be blind not to see it in the Moorish architecture of 5th Avenue synagogues. One has to illiterate not to realize that our numbering system is called Arab numerals. One has to be really bigoted to ignore the 526 names of towns that are Muslim names, Alhambra, Medina, Palestine, Allahbumya (Alabama), T Allah hasse (Talahasee) .One has to be Islamphobic not to know that Columbus sailed with Muslim sailors using Muslim inventions like the astrolabe and Muslim maps. One has to be rabidly anti-Muslim not to realize the Alhambra arches of California homes are Muslim in origin.

It would be tragic to ignore the 800 year old Jewish-Christian-Muslim symbiosis in Muslim Spain that created the renaissance and transported Greek and Roman knowledge to Latin Christians. Egos, imperial hubris and contempt for all other ideas will surely prohibit some to admit their own faults for BEARING FALSE WITNESS and not taking the trouble to find out the real truth. America or Europe was not born in a vacuum and all knowledge did not emanate from the fountains of Sorbonne and Oxford without any prior or current interaction with Al Azhar and Cordoba. The very word college is base don the Arabic “Kulliat” . Tulipomania in the Netherlands was based on getting the Tulips from Turkey. Beethoven based his 9th symphony on Turkish Janessarian music. Some may also refuse to read Islamo-Christian Civilization by Dr. Boulliett.

[Mule]

[Nathans_Dad]

So is your point that not all muslims are terrorists?

Is anyone actually arguing that they are or is this just your strawman of the day?

Heck, even I know that the muslims in Chicago aren't terrorists...

[Mule]

[RoninLB]

It was the Catholics that tossed, aka killed, them out of Spain. It was their greatest moment then comes along some queen that's menstruating.

then they missed the industrial revolution, on purpose, and couldn't put together a large enough military to go out and provide wealth for their population the old fashioned way. Russia's Putin should be their spiritual leader and things would be less complicated.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by RWebb

Ayaan Hirsi Ali wants to reform Islam and bring it into the 20th Century -- maybe even the 21st. I agree that everyone hsould learn about her and her efforts.

At one time Islam was by far the most advanced civilization - around 1,000 AD or so. Islam needs to ask itself what happened.

The one advancement that did more to advance islam than any other was Damascus steel. It made superior swords. Once Europe surpassed that, islam began the decline that put them where they are today. All islamic wealth exists solely and completely because of the blue eyed devil, PERIOD!

[imcarthur]

If anyone truly has any interest in some of the history . . .

Watch this. When the Moors Ruled in Europe (This is Part 1 of 11 - watch them all)



Ian

[Rick Lee]

It was the Moops!

[Mule]

The titles mention people converting to islam voluntarily but they don't support the claim. The long and short is that the muslims conquered Spain, not Europe. Began living more like Europeans and less like muslims, then were overcome & overthrown, with the history being written less than accurately. Produced by a woman & her husband who are both converts to islam.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Mule

The one advancement that did more to advance islam than any other was Damascus steel. It made superior swords. Once Europe surpassed that, islam began the decline that put them where they are today. All islamic wealth exists solely and completely because of the blue eyed devil, PERIOD!

you appear to have forgotten algebra, and thousands of other cultural advancements and technological innovations, not to mention the great libraries, the poets,...