'Preparing for the worst' by buying guns/ammo. Why?

[Porsche-O-Phile]

They've got some Yugoslav SKS rifles on sale down at the local sporting goods shop this week. They're okay I guess. 7.62x39 afaik. Around $400, which is about right for a decent SKS... Whaddya' think about those? Accurate enough?

[charleskieffner]

another point................

if urine a real smart guy.............you would get all .30 caliber rounds(.300 win mag,.308, 30.06, .30 carbine) and thread urine barrels a common thread to fit a SUPPRESSOR for each and everyJUAN!!!!!!!!! or move suppressor from barrel to barrel.

they cant return fire if they dont see or hear incoming rounds!!!!

think about dat juan REAL DAMN HARD!

that choo choo train of thought and actual action is prescribed by nelson ford "the gunsmith" here in phx. az.

[charleskieffner]

heres another choo choo train of thought....................

yer pissed at me............really pissed............and start slinging .223/7.62x39 rounds at me.

urine max accurate fire no matter how "full race" urine gun is , is about 500-600 yds. PERIOD!

i hear rounds incoming.................im a gonna BEAN YER ASS FROM 1200yds iron sighted into a pie plate size upper torso, and tighter with my scoped weapons.

now think about this...................wouldnt you rather keep the mongoloid/zombee horde at a distance?????? be able to shoot thru block walls/vehicles/garbage dumpsters etc?????

tacos fer thought!

[Jim Bremner]

You can't go wrong with a M1 Garand from the CMP. Good enough to fend off the Nazi's and other villians.


Cheap Ammo allready loaded up in a 8round clip that inserts into the rifle (yes, clip is the proper term for this item, it's not a spring loaded magazine) You can get ammo loaded good to go for less than .30 a round.

If you do your part you should be able to hit a pie plate @ 200 yards.

And for us in Kalifornia it shouldn't fall onto a ban list as long as we can stop voting for the Zombie lords (Pelosi and company)

[competentone]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

They've got some Yugoslav SKS rifles on sale down at the local sporting goods shop this week. They're okay I guess. 7.62x39 afaik. Around $400, which is about right for a decent SKS... Whaddya' think about those? Accurate enough?

You can buy Yugo SKSs for around $200 -- $400 sounds too high.

I prefer my Saiga over my SKSs. The Saiga is an AK with a "sporting" stock. It doesn't take much to modify the Saiga to accept high-capacity AK magazines; and the Saiga is available in .223, .308 -- and 12 gauge (if you can find one), .410 and 20 gauge too.

The 7.62x39 and .223 Saigas can still be found for SKS prices -- though recently, the Saiga prices seem to be quite a bit higher. It seems that people are converting them to "AK" configurations with pistol grip stocks and that is drawing off the supply available in "sporting" configuration.

[HardDrive]

Nice thing about he AK format is the absurd reliability. Dirty, hot....the damn things just keep firing. You can completely strip the thing in about 10 seconds, dunk it in a river, wipe the water off with your shirt, rub some motor oil on the bolt assembly, then go back firing another 1000 rounds.


btw, despite my enthusiasm, don't ever do what I just described to your gun.....

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Thanks for that. Yea, I just found a couple online for around $250-$350 so I think they're a little steep. The Saigas are interesting - I posted a video the other day I'd found which was a 12-gauge Saiga converted to full auto (!) Very interesting.

I'd have to check, but given how (deliberately) convoluted and screwy the laws are out here in Commiefornia you can't be too careful.

I do know the M1 and M1 Garand are legal (at least for now).

[charleskieffner]

cmp is offering as well as fultonarms.com m-juan(m-1) garands in 30.06 and .308. those are "GOOD-GUNS" in the eyes of der re-pubic of kalifornication. also cmp i think still has m-1 carbines in various grades.

bought my winchester(all winchester) m-juan carbine for $500 bucks quite a few years back and cherry nra el perfectos are going for a $1000 bucks now.

mausers von der vaterland pulled off of dead ass nazis during snowy russian campaign have been rebarreled to .30.06 and .308. they are reasonable. mitchellarms.com offers real nazi juans if yer into historical guns. 8mm was a hell of a round ask the russians!

[competentone]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

I do know the M1 and M1 Garand are legal (at least for now).

Auto Ordinance (Kahr Arms) makes new California-legal M1 carbines:

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/PA-1AO_m1.html

I love my M1 carbines!

[Rick Lee]

The Russian SKS's command a premium because their wood is a lot better. If you plan to buy a plastic stock for it, then just buy a cheapo Romanian or Chinese one for $200-$250. Don't forget to sharpen the bayonet. They're kinda dull out of the box.

Charles, how much good does a suppressor do on a supersonic bullet? I never understood that one. I can see how they'd be great for a .22. But I don't think a suppressor would last through too many .30 cal-based rounds. The gas, temps and pressures have to be unreal. And how does a suppressor do anything to the sonic boom?

[competentone]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Charles, how much good does a suppressor do on a supersonic bullet? I never understood that one. I can see how they'd be great for a .22. But I don't think a suppressor would last through too many .30 cal-based rounds. The gas, temps and pressures have to be unreal. And how does a suppressor do anything to the sonic boom?

Properly constructed suppressors last just fine on high-powered rifles -- including full-auto fire. (If the barrel can survive it, a suppressor made of the same materials will hold up too.)

They don't work like in the movies, but allow firing without hearing protection. The super-sonic crack is not eliminated (since that noise is being generated as the bullet travels through the air), but the suppressor on a high-powered rifle can be effective in helping to conceal the position of the operator.

http://www.advanced-armament.com/large_bore.asp

[charleskieffner]

mister lee.............they are SUPPRESSORS not silencers. that is muy importante.

numero uno.............dry or wet suppressors?

wet uses a fluid. be it toilet water/sea water/new oil/old oil from a burnt up bug mtr..........just about any liquid that will not ignite. these are used fer socom teams. why??? because they shoot alot of rounds and noise goes up after more and more rounds expended. if you were a seal team all you do is release quick-dick release, empty suppressor, refill, and silence is golden again.

with dry suppressors you have baffles(how baffling?) or a material similar to steel wool. this werks very well for quite a long time as long as suppressor is cleaned often. these also can be set up on a quick-dick or a threaded barrel.

once agin YING/YANG............threaded barrels if fuched up by hitting barrel end on hard object can get screwed up and you need to fix asap. quick-dicks offer a little more safety and longevity but at a price. ie. mp-5 lugged barrels.

thread protector is a good idea. i like threaded juans becuz of versatility. i dont own juan yet but its on my wish list. around here its about 3 months or so waiting period for background check, interviews with cop shop, etc. before you are issued your tax stamp.

soooooooooooo if ya wanted a full auto mp-5 with suppressor, you would need 3 stamps. a SBR(short barrel) stamp, a suppressor stamp, and a full-auto stamp. THREE STAMPS (and they are just like postage stamps but bigger) at $200 a whack for a total of $600 bucks plus cost of MP-5.

gemtec and AWC are the 2 mfgs. i have been recommended to look at.

fer .22's a INTEGRAL RUGER is a nice setup, meaning suppressor does NOT come off.

nice if ya just want to use 1 gun. for versatilties sake i would buy a suppressor that would fit MULTIPLE GUNS! ie all barrels threaded the same.

on 22's you use subsonic ammo and all you hear is a PFFFT! like tearing a piece of paper on yer desk. from 10 ft away you dont hear anything. the PFFT is the action coming back.

ditto on 9mms.

und ditto for .30 cal weapons.308/.300wm., 30.06, .30 carbine.

cleaning them is a no brainer.

look at gemtech.com

look at AWC.com. AWC is in snobbsdale aeropuerto right here in our backyard.

the ruger integral stainless amphibian from AWC is about $1200 bucks less stamp which would = $1400 out da door!

the ruger .22 rifles and pistoles are the KATZ ASS for sniping small critters or blasting the poo outta grapefruits from a hottub one night at an undisclosed location somewhere in this state! ask me how i know?????? yuck yuck yuck!

[Rick Lee]

Well, if it really came to a total breakdown in law and order, I think a few folks might just bypass the tax stamp process wrt suppressors. Not that I'd.....

[competentone]

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

soooooooooooo if ya wanted a full auto mp-5 with suppressor, you would need 3 stamps. a SBR(short barrel) stamp, a suppressor stamp, and a full-auto stamp. THREE STAMPS (and they are just like postage stamps but bigger) at $200 a whack for a total of $600 bucks plus cost of MP-5.

No, you don't need a separate tax stamp for a short-barrel on a machine gun transfer.

Suppressor and machine gun would each require their own stamp, as you explain.

Of course, when you get to machine guns, the $200 tax stamp is pretty "meaningless" in the transaction. The 1986 ban prohibiting the issuance of any new stamps for newly manufactured civilian market machine guns has driven prices of transferable full-autos so high, that the $200 fee represents a pretty small percentage of the overall transaction.

The tax stamp still represents a significant percentage in the cost of a suppressor or SBR.

[charleskieffner]

rick it just doesnt werk that way unless you have yer own machine shop. be prepared/be vigilante. to thread barrels is only about $85 bucks or you can buy BARSTOBARRELS pre threaded and MATCH GRADE fer about any pistol which will tighten up groups. drop in fits!

more fun than a barrel of minkies!

its on my to-do list........get a suppressor or a suppressed .22 to start. just got to get off my arse and start paperwork debacle, and meet new interesting people asking me "WHY?" all 3 months long.

they are cool. check out snobbsdale gun club and look at flavors of suppressors. walther has a real nice suppressed .22 removeable suppressor.

[charleskieffner]

competentone............so on a class 3 machinen-gepistole you only need 2(TWO) stamps? thats cool.

yep class 3's are thru the roof............wish i had bought a few a few years back and sat on them. seems to be about the only SOLID INVESTMENT LEFT ON THIS PLANET! go freeking figure. ???

actually since being in the trades/dillon/mcmillian etc class 3's are kind of "how-hum" to me, after all the years helping them machine components.

now belt fed anythings trip my trigger. ie dillions phlanx system/dos or quattro .50's..............they get my attention real fast anywhere/anytime!

[competentone]

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

yep class 3's are thru the roof............wish i had bought a few a few years back and sat on them. seems to be about the only SOLID INVESTMENT LEFT ON THIS PLANET! go freeking figure. ???

It is an "artificial" market -- supply has not been allowed to meet the demand (due to government action), so prices have risen.

While I do not expect the machine gun ban to ever be repealed, I still cannot bring myself to "invest" in any artificial market. I might buy a machine gun because I wanted one, but not because I thought it would be a good "investment."

A stroke of a pen (making newly manufactured machine guns legal for civilian sales), and any "paper" profit on any machine gun one was holding, would disappear. (In fact, I believe the law creating the ban is still being argued in the courts; I think that ATF could actually interpret some of the rulings the courts have already given and start issuing stamps again.)

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by MT930

In this economy,

Ammunition maybe the new currency of 2009.



Just Kidding.

You can never have enough ammo and gas.

Think .22 rimfire as possible currency. Centerfire ammo is reloadable.

[charleskieffner]

maremount m-60 last week at snobbsdale gun club...............$47,000 bucks! YIKES

[Rick Lee]

Machine guns are performing better than real estate ever has. I can't see NFA ever getting repealed unless we truly have a revolution and then your investments will be the least of your worries. And in case the jackbooted thugs are ever truly released on the public, I wouldn't want to be on their class III registry. Those are the first folks to get a visit.