Windows 7: what's the early word?

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by john_cramer

Actually, I think they got it right in 1964.

You're just not as picky, John.

[RANDY P]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

LOL, yeah, those commercials crack me up.

That smug laid back Mac guy is someone who is just begging to be smashed up and stuck in a trash can. Or run over by a bus.

rjp

[Scott R]

Its not bad, will post some screenshots in a bit. Was available on MSDN on the 7th to me, and I'm surprised the public beta is so soon to the MSDN release.

[dd74]

I can partition part of the hard drive on my Mac to run Windows. I wonder how 7 might work in that environment? Hmmm...I might work on downloading it tonight.

[RedBaron]

Originally Posted by dd74

I can partition part of the hard drive on my Mac to run Windows. I wonder how 7 might work in that environment? Hmmm...I might work on downloading it tonight.

What kind of mac do you have? People on the mac forums have got it to work flawlessly with their macbook pros. The only real "tweak" you need to do is download the vista version of the sound drivers.

Originally Posted by sammyg2

you go ahead and pay 3 times as much for an equivalent product and then tell us how dumb we all are.

That's like saying you are dumb for paying $75,000 for a new 911, when you can get a Honda civic for a lot less and it will get you to the same destination.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by RedBaron

What kind of mac do you have? People on the mac forums have got it to work flawlessly with their macbook pros. The only real "tweak" you need to do is download the vista version of the sound drivers.

A MacBook with OSX 10.5.5. I've had XP on this machine before. Now it's just straight Mac OS.

I do plan to put a Windows partition on it, though, so I may as well try 7 once I do.

[KaptKaos]

Not a lot of usage info yet, but it installs into 8 GB, which is nice and small.

[dd74]

8 GB. I like that...

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by dd74

8 GB. I like that...

8GB is nothing anymore. In the business world we use storage in increments nothing smaller than 300GB and often well over several terabytes. You want a small OS footprint you better be ready to deal with limitations.

Hell, ever our SLES 10 servers are set on 50GB partitions now, and they use most of it. Welcome to the modern age. 8GB is more like the minimal amount of ram you want to have by next year.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

I own an early 911. What's your point?

Howz that non-galvanized short wheelbase with lead weights on the front bumper thing and the solex carbs workin for ya?

My point is that the 911 has evolved over the years and is still evolving. It has been modified and improved many, many times. Most of the time the changes were for the better, some were not. Very similar to MS products.

[Jim Richards]

LWB, didn't need lead, MFI, and I'm sure it would make you wet yourself on the track.

μsoft made a number of crap OS's over the years, is plagued with all kinds of security problems, and keeps trying to get it right. The recent ad campaign they ran to change people's thinking about Vista was just pitiful. I didn't/don't see Porsche doing this. Simply a bad analogy.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by RedBaron

What kind of mac do you have? People on the mac forums have got it to work flawlessly with their macbook pros. The only real "tweak" you need to do is download the vista version of the sound drivers.



That's like saying you are dumb for paying $75,000 for a new 911, when you can get a Honda civic for a lot less and it will get you to the same destination.

So you are saying that an equivalent Mac is many times better than a PC?
I know they have better commercials, but I usually don't pay that much attention to what they say.

To compare a honda to a PC and a 911 to a mac:

A 911 is a little faster than a honda and handles a little better. It costs three times more than a honda but is nowhere near three times faster. it does not handle three times better. It's lap times might be 10% or 20% better but not 300% better as the price difference would suggest.

A honda is more economical. A honda is more reliable. A honda has a better resale value. A honda makes more sense economically. Parts are cheaper and easier to find. They are often easier to work on.
A 911 may be more fun to drive but a honda is much smarter. For a few $ thousand you can make that honda handle better than a 911, go faster than a 911, and still be more economical to own and drive. If i want to screw around I drive my 911. But if i need reliability and need to get where i want to go without any problems ever, I'd be better off driving a honda there.

Funny that is a mac is sooooo much better than a PC, why they don't sell very many of them compared to PCs? Is it that good of a secret, or do most people simply know better to pay many times as much for a product that may only be slightly better?

My PC works just fine. no problems. I paid a couple hundred dollars for the parts and put it together myself. A comparable apple product would probably cost close to $700.
I can upgrade it at any time easily if I want. Not as easy with a MAC. More expensive with a Mac. Harder to find components for a mac. Similar to a 911

[Dennis Kalma]

Major driver for PC's is that at the moment they are the legacy system. Most commercial software has Windows as its target and most corporations use Windows as their desktop. Historically that has been the safe bet as "everyone does it" and there was lots of support available hardware, software and assistance. Tradeoff was that the PC/Windows wasn't a great platform but it was good enough and did the job.

Vista changed that, now we have a heavyweight, intrusive machine hog that is seeking to extend its control into other areas of business (e.g. Sharepoint, DRM etc) and that is unacceptable to most companies as they have other solutions from other vendors that they are generally OK with.

What most companies need is a relatively lightweight, reasonably functioned desktop that is easy to manage and easy to deploy and does not unduly lock you into a single vendor, especially one such as Microsoft who's business practices are predatory to say the least. Vista is the opposite....if Windows 7 does not move towards that, then CIO's will begin looking for alternatives and the Mac may be one.

personally, having been CIO for the last 15 years at various companies, this is a trend that repeats itself....Univac did it, IBM did it, Digital did it and now Microsoft is doing it again. They will likely pay the price as people begin to move to open systems and some vendor will build a simpler platform on Linux (as an example) that will then rapidly eat Microsoft's lunch for them.

7 is Microsoft's last chance to get it "righter".

Dennis

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by not Jim Richards

Vista didn't need lead or MFI, and I'm sure it would make you wet yourself on the track.

...

[Jim Richards]

Y-E-S! Vista!!! Or was that Mojave? Whatever...whoo hooo!!!

[Halm]

I agree with everything Dennis said except "7 is Microsoft's last chance to get it "righter"." I do agree that they should act like it is, but there is simply too much invested corporately to walk away.

Now, that said, I just installed it while watching Titians - Ravens. Pretty straight forward install, I don't think an animal cracker could screw it up.

So far it is pretty much as advertised. Boot up and shut down is fast, and the old User Control stuff is dumbed way down. Seem to be lots of new user interface mods that will take a while to figure out.

I'll start adding a few apps and see how performance is affected. So far, so good.

[JasonDTM]

I haven't had a chance to try the Windows 7 Beta yet, but it is very very fast compared to Vista x64 and XP.

I'm a pc overclocker at heart, and some of my overclocking colleagues are actually besting their own personal bests and world records with Windows 7 Beta.

That being said, I recently made the move to try out Vista a few weeks ago, granted I cheated and picked up a stripped to the bones "Lite" version and it is wicked fast and reliable for me due to the bloat being stripped off its bones.

Hopefully MS keeps Windows 7 like it is in Beta form when they go to release it, I really think it will be a home run, minus the stupid OSX like toolbar.

[Dennis Kalma]

Originally Posted by Halm

I agree with everything Dennis said except "7 is Microsoft's last chance to get it "righter"." I do agree that they should act like it is, but there is simply too much invested corporately to walk away.

To be clear, my thought is that corporate IT-dom is waiting to see if Windows 7 allows them to move forward in a sensible way, if so, then any thoughts of going to a different platform will probably disappear, if Microsoft continues on their current trend and offers difficulty in any material way (licensing, upgrade options, speed, compatibility of the user interface etc) then they'll start looking and the dangerous slide for Microsoft begins.

For the first time in years some of my CIO chums are starting to seriously ask what life would be like if they gave Macbooks to the road warriors or executives. Worry for Microsoft is that once the high priced staff get Mac's, everyone else will get technology envy and want one too (what interests my boss fascinates me!).

Wouldn't have believed it 3 years ago....but it is real....

Dennis

[SpeedracerIndy]

It's too bad everyone can't stick to the original topic when computers come up here. It's almost as bad as politics.

I am anxious to see what 7 is like. I just bought a $500 laptop with 4gig memory, Vista 64, 2ghz dual core centrino. It is only used for surfing the internet, document creation, etc. I am hoping it will scream on 7. The only complaint I have about Vista so far is that it is a resource hog. Supposedly 7 will not be a resource hog.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by SpeedracerIndy

It's too bad everyone can't stick to the original topic when computers come up here. It's almost as bad as politics.

I am anxious to see what 7 is like. I just bought a $500 laptop with 4gig memory, Vista 64, 2ghz dual core centrino. It is only used for surfing the internet, document creation, etc. I am hoping it will scream on 7. The only complaint I have about Vista so far is that it is a resource hog. Supposedly 7 will not be a resource hog.