Windows 7: what's the early word?

[Wickd89]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Using that logic ( using the term loosely), Porsche has been trying to get the 911 right for 44 years and we should have all given up on them at the beginning.

Some have.. Look at all the longhood fans..

[Dennis Kalma]

Originally Posted by SpeedracerIndy

It's too bad everyone can't stick to the original topic when computers come up here. It's almost as bad as politics.

Think bigger, it will help your life.

In terms of early reports, my technical guys say they took some of Server 2008 and incorporate it into Vista, but the same general system. Speed is so subjective as there is a dependency on hardware and also on path through the OS code, if the routine being tested has limited use of OS routines, it will get down to raw hardware speed. If it uses Microsoft code and they have done the trivial thing of optimizing the code path then you will see a relative improvement.

I am more concerned with changes to the user interface, taking Office 2007 vs Office 2003 as a comparator, Microsoft made a number of changes to the UI that are not materially better....just different. This makes implementation much more difficult for no apparent reason and Vista certainly has a big dose of unnecessary change.

Can anyone comment further on the UI of 7?

Dennis

[stealthn]

Friends don't let friends do Windows

Yes you haters I'm a Mac guy and other than the server, the platform is awesome, if you want to run Windows on it go ahead, if you need command line Linux/Unix go ahead, it has everything you could want. The costs over the longer term are way less as my Macs typically last 5 years. Microsoft has a stranglehold on the manufacturers so you MUST upgrade when getting a new system.

For the Corporate world I never understand why Linux is not making huge end roads, free OS, free office suite (with PDF capabilities) and now with KDE or Gnome the GUI is so easy to use. Open Suse Rules, or Ubuntu.....

Yes let's all hope Microsft gets it right so all the users can be forced to the new OS and pay millions in licensing fees, and spend millions more combating the inherent flaws in the OS....

[Halm]

Originally Posted by Dennis Kalma

I am more concerned with changes to the user interface, taking Office 2007 vs Office 2003 as a comparator, Microsoft made a number of changes to the UI that are not materially better....just different. This makes implementation much more difficult for no apparent reason and Vista certainly has a big dose of unnecessary change.

Can anyone comment further on the UI of 7?

Dennis

The GUI is a little different. For example I can’t find a way to revert to “Classic Windows” screen and menus. Even so, there is something intuitive about it I never sensed with Vista. I think with a "quick start" guide most users would be happy. Clearly easier than trying to move some of the exec's we consult with over to a mac.

[Wickd89]

Originally Posted by Halm

The GUI is a little different. For example I can’t find a way to revert to “Classic Windows” screen and menus. Even so, there is something intuitive about it I never sensed with Vista. I think with a "quick start" guide most users would be happy. Clearly easier than trying to move some of the exec's we consult with over to a mac.

Hal,
On Vista, do you know how to change automatic download folder, to selectable?
I am stuck..

[thedge]

I like it so far, but java apps seem to have taken a bit of a dump. MegaLogViewer for MegaSquirt doesnt work right so far.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by Dennis Kalma

I am more concerned with changes to the user interface, taking Office 2007 vs Office 2003 as a comparator, Microsoft made a number of changes to the UI that are not materially better....just different. This makes implementation much more difficult for no apparent reason and Vista certainly has a big dose of unnecessary change.

Can anyone comment further on the UI of 7?

Dennis

+1
My issue is the support issues. I've been absolutely fine with the previous versions of Office for Mac and PC, but Microsoft chose to change the UI on both, and will eventually stop supporting older versions. So, as a consequence, I tell users if they can't deal with Word 2007 (PC) or 2008 (Mac), to use one of the Open Office suites (free for PC and Mac users).

As to the UI for 7, the only reason I can see for Microsoft to change is 1) Faster; 2) to look like Mac's OSX. These aren't necessarily bad reasons, IMO.

[gt350mike]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

you go ahead and pay 3 times as much for an equivalent product and then tell us how dumb we all are.

Why support mediocrity? They put out an POS product and we all act like mindless zombies and buy it! I think Microsoft has made a great product in the past but with all of the revenue that is generated, they should be able to make a better product that Vista. Everything in my house is Windows XP and for most part, our experience has been trouble free with the exception of one virus that shut-down a harddrive.

When they released Vista people spent a great deal of time trying to patch a product that should not have been released. Don't know about you but I'd rather spend the money on a better product and and not have to deal with issues like software patches, or even worse, viruses. Just ask Steve.

[Rick V]

If I remember correctly, wasn't XP full of issues when it was first released. I remember a lot of people swearing they would never give up 98.

[gt350mike]

Originally Posted by Rick V

If I remember correctly, wasn't XP full of issues when it was first released. I remember a lot of people swearing they would never give up 98.

I really don't recall if they did or not. I do know that most PC guru's didn't want to give up 98 because Windows 2000 (or was it Windows M) was a bigger POS that Vista ever dreamed of!

Seems that there is a pattern developing here.......

[dd74]

Well, now I know why I can't download 7...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10138921-56.html?tag=mncol;txt

[dd74]

Originally Posted by stealthn

Friends don't let friends do Windows

Yes you haters I'm a Mac guy and other than the server, the platform is awesome, if you want to run Windows on it go ahead, if you need command line Linux/Unix go ahead, it has everything you could want. The costs over the longer term are way less as my Macs typically last 5 years. Microsoft has a stranglehold on the manufacturers so you MUST upgrade when getting a new system.

For the Corporate world I never understand why Linux is not making huge end roads, free OS, free office suite (with PDF capabilities) and now with KDE or Gnome the GUI is so easy to use. Open Suse Rules, or Ubuntu.....

Well, I like Mac OSX and Windows XP. As for 7, I'm curious to see if it's faster than XP. We do have a civilian machine here with Vista, and it seems okay.

Nonetheless, if I could get both a Mac and Windows machine on Linux, I'd buy nothing but year or two-old machines, and have myself a wild time screaming through applications.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by Rick V

If I remember correctly, wasn't XP full of issues when it was first released. I remember a lot of people swearing they would never give up 98.

Windows 98 was what I remember as having so many problems, and 2000 rectifying many of them. XP to Microsoft was like the SC or late Carrera to Porsche - bulletproof. (though maybe I shouldn't go there...)

[Jim Richards]

XP Professional was pretty solid. I won't upgrade beyond this for our home network, unless it's to Unix or we'll crush the PCs and get iMacs.

[Halm]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

XP Professional was pretty solid. I won't upgrade beyond this for our home network, unless it's to Unix or we'll crush the PCs and get iMacs.

Never say never. 7 is pretty good so far. I could eat those words, but again 7 is faster than Vista (and probably XP) and hasn't shown any problems. In other words, better than you could hope for from the first public beta.

[Jim Richards]

Good point, Hal. I'll defer to you guinea pigs, errr, early adopters!

[mike55]

I downloaded both the 32 and 64 bit beta versions. couple of questions for the experts here:

1) advantages of 64bit over 32bit or vice versa?

2) i'm running vista (without any problems). can i install win7 without f'ng up my computer/vista as it is now? dual boot?

thx