What the f*ck is it going to take to end the madness?

[Tobra]

Nice orange jumpsuit there Hugh

Originally Posted by dhoward

What?
These guys can't lawfully own a firearm anyway. So they would drop 10 or 15 rocks worth of money to join a gun club?

ding ding, winner!

How much did gun crime go up in Oz when they took away the guns people lawfully owned?

by the way ruf, nice group of straw men you have put together

[livi]

Originally Posted by cmccuist

REgardless of gun laws, I believe it's culture rather than access to guns that is more responsible for shooting deaths. There are certainly accidents with firearms, but the overwhelming number of firearm homicides are due to behavior and culture rather than access to guns and/or lack of gun laws (Example - Washington DC!)

I believe you are right to a large extent. There are always ways of hurting people, even with a strict gun law. I still think part of it is due to access. Same with drugs. If cocaine was an over the counter drug with a cheap price, I believe more people would use it. Generally speaking.

But culture, tradition, socio-economic factors and such have a tremendous impact.

[ramonesfreak]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

That aint gonna happen cause the LEO industry would lose BILLIONS of dollars and thousands (perhaps tens of thousands) of cops and beaurocrats would lose their jobs.

As sick and perverted as it is, it's those that 'protect us' who gain the most from this whole damn disaster of a "war on drugs".

i know. this is the problem. drugs aint gonna be legal in this country, at least not the valuable ones like heroin, and the demand for heroin is never gonna go down...so, it is what it is. this epidemic in this country is here to stay

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Thank you Ronald Reagan and the "moral majority" of the 1980s for putting us on this idiotic, socialist law-enforcement pseudo-moralistic crusade.

The government doesn't dare back off their "war on drugs" stance now lest they give the appearance of backpedaling or admit being wrong before. Those are evidently worse sins than continuing to p1ss away untold billions of taxpayer money every year.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by ruf-porsche

Monkeys don't go around killing other monkeys for no good reason, in that respect monkeys are better than us.

Actually if you watch Jane Goodall's documentary's (yes I know technical she doesn't study monkeys)

Primates in the jungle DO kill each other for no good reason.

And if we want to stop the gang problem we have to stop punishing the police for succeeding at controlling the problem. The police create a gang unit, they crack down on the gangs, the problem starts to go away, so they cut funding and shut down the gang task-force.

[azasadny]

Death penalty would be a good start...

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Jim Bremner

hmm,

drugs

porous boarder

lack of FATHERS in the home

Teachers who don't give a rats azz

A school system that doesn't work well for everyone

Lack of Faith, not only in GOD but their future.

Missing work ethic

Commercialism

Glorification of the gangster life

Too many rats in the cage

Genetic predisposition (the one that I'll get flamed the hardest on )

And the standard pussification of America - cops can't give hickory shampoos to the people that need it.

The 2nd post provided the best answer.

Hugh, you look great in orange.

[KevinP73]

Man Arrested In Shooting Death Of 4-Year-Old Boy
The Los Angeles Police Department has arrested a suspect in the murder of a 4-year-old boy who died in the crossfire of an apparent gang-related shooting.
Police announced Friday that officers had arrested 25-five-year-old Howard Astorga, a felon who previously has served prison time for narcotics, gun and other offenses.
Roberto Lopez Jr. was shot Tuesday near his home in the Echo Park neighborhood west of downtown.
Several shots were fired from about 100 yards away and the boy died after being hit once in the upper torso.
Police say occupants of a car were involved in a confrontation with people standing on the street.
The bullet that hit Roberto likely was intended for someone in the car

[look 171]

That ***** in Mexico is coming this way and its coming fast. our border is not gonna be able to stop it. The agent wil be haul off to jail and the bad guy will go free then we will whine about it.