Sequel to the 30 something thread

Zeke · 05-05-2009, 07:07 AM

I thought I'd discuss this with some other contractors and business people who are "of age." I found a guy living on a nice boat in the marina last Sunday and struck up a conversation. He was a former developer in NorCal. He told me that working/building with established money was great. Working with new money in the hands of the 30 somethings was his worst nightmare.

There is a lot of the nouveau riche up that way, but he didn't tell me exactly where he did his development. Just that he was glad to be done with it thanks to the recession.

And that was the way it went as I talked to others, a unanimous decision. So, it seems there might be an invisible division in society unlike the racial or have vs. have nots.

Apparently, I'm not alone in having a hard time with the 30 somethings. But, as you probably read here, I treat people with the same respect as I receive. Which is mostly nil from the youngins'.

Now if you'll excuse me, I think I'll go look into retirement housing and a new rocking chair. Maybe a pipe and a lap blanket.

Danimal16 · 05-05-2009, 07:09 AM

Milt,

Do you think it was this way when we were thirty?

Zeke · 05-05-2009, 07:14 AM

Oh yes it was. But we didn't have any money to throw around. We were coming off a war like our fathers and getting jobs. We learned to fix things. I could go on and on, but I hope you get the point.

ljowdy · 05-05-2009, 07:17 AM

Evey generation has its faults. I remember back in 1969 when I first went to Patrol at City of Industry station.... There was a Deputy that worked there, he joined the LASD in March of 1948 (I joined March of 1969) (I was born in 1948) Anyway, he ridiculed the "current" crop of Deputies as being wimps, lazy, not "real" cops and burdened down by rules and regulations.

Later as time went by, people of my generation had the same opinion of the current crop of Deputies.

What goes around comes around.

Every generation looks at the current generation and utters such things as "I had to walk 5 miles to school, in the snow"
"I had to "work" to pay for my first car"

And the list goes on and on. We were a bunch of 30 something's at one time and guess what?? The current batch of 30 something's will be uttering the same thing in 20 years

daepp · 05-05-2009, 07:17 AM

My $.02.

1) They have given so much growing up, they don't value the true cost of good labor.
2) The tract housing and McMansions they've come to know superficially look nice but contain little true craftsmanship.
-and-
3) You are a craftsman from the old school.

BTW - were you the one doing the phenomenal work on the house in Hancock Park?

Zeke · 05-05-2009, 07:20 AM

I sense something different or I wouldn't have started this thread, If you go back to the first thread you will see that the 30 somethings admit to being preoccupied, abrupt and rude.

No work in Hancock Park. Last year I was in Westwood for 3 months.

widebody911 · widebody911's Garage

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Originally Posted by milt

Maybe a pipe and a lap blanket.

Here ya go!

onewhippedpuppy · 05-05-2009, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by milt

I sense something different or I wouldn't have started this thread, If you go back to the first thread you will see that the 30 somethings admit to being preoccupied, abrupt and rude.

Amazing how you made that fit your preconcieved notions.

Schumi · 05-05-2009, 07:44 AM

*sigh*

East Egg/West Egg.

You act like it's never been like this before..

speeder · speeder's Garage

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Originally Posted by DAEpperson

My $.02.

1) They have given so much growing up, they don't value the true cost of good labor.
2) The tract housing and McMansions they've come to know superficially look nice but contain little true craftsmanship.
-and-
3) You are a craftsman from the old school.

BTW - were you the one doing the phenomenal work on the house in Hancock Park?

That might have been me. I've had slightly better luck with young people, I've actually found that good/bad come in all ages. I have a pretty good work-stream right now from a group of monied 20/30-somethings. They don't know much about working with one's hands but don't pretend to either. My Dad is 77 and doesn't know jack-schyt about working with his hands.

911Rob · 911Rob's Garage

I find this all very interesting however I haven't had time to read the other thread yet, but plan on doing so.

My oldest is in her late 20's and her husband is in his 30's; otherwise I don't have alot to do with this crowd?

What I do know is that life is an attitude, what you focus on comes to reality. If you want to be negative about this or that, then sobeit; if you choose to look for the positive in this/that, bingo, sobeit. The fact is that most people are just wired to focus on the negative.

I spend alot of time training and disciplining myself to this regard and "I" struggle with the world of negativity too; so I can only imagine someone that doesn't put forth the effort to focus on positive aspects of life can't help but be swarmed with the negative aspects. I read it here all the time fwiw.

My involvement with this crowd of 30 somethings is definately an eye opener and I'm looking forward to reading Milt's other thread as I saw some good posts there. I find that this crowd is very open minded; they are more worldly, accepting the human race as equals and not so stereo typical as their older generation; they are world travellers and communicators as the world is a much smaller place for them; they have an instilled respect for environmental issues, equality and gender. They're not caught up in the 9 to 5 cycle as much, although it is a trap for our society, this group has learned to get what they want; by far one of the most successful generations of our times.

I would love to be able to pass along some wisdom to our younger generations, but finding a common ground is often difficult; however listening to them is very inspiring and refreshing; I love their perspectives.

Thanks for posting Milt, I'll look forward to reading through this thread as well......
Cheers

masraum · 05-05-2009, 09:56 AM

Damn, I think I could learn a lot from both Milt and Rob on many subjects.

Danimal16 · 05-05-2009, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milt

Oh yes it was. But we didn't have any money to throw around. We were coming off a war like our fathers and getting jobs. We learned to fix things. I could go on and on, but I hope you get the point.

Yep,

I remember those days, I think?? It may have to do with the lack of population in SoCal in those days. It seemed that we did more things than have stuff.

Danimal16 · 05-05-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ljowdy

Evey generation has its faults. I remember back in 1969 when I first went to Patrol at City of Industry station.... There was a Deputy that worked there, he joined the LASD in March of 1948 (I joined March of 1969) (I was born in 1948) Anyway, he ridiculed the "current" crop of Deputies as being wimps, lazy, not "real" cops and burdened down by rules and regulations.

Later as time went by, people of my generation had the same opinion of the current crop of Deputies.

What goes around comes around.

Every generation looks at the current generation and utters such things as "I had to walk 5 miles to school, in the snow"
"I had to "work" to pay for my first car"

And the list goes on and on. We were a bunch of 30 something's at one time and guess what?? The current batch of 30 something's will be uttering the same thing in 20 years

Absolutely right. Ya kinda gotta hear your folks telling us the same thing back then, but what did they know?