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KevinP73 05-14-2009 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by madmmac (Post 4663378)
snip......The cop got wrapped up in the moment and the taxpayers are really going to have to pay.

I don't have any problem with the officers kick to the head or kidney strikes. My biggest complaint would be that the criminal could possibly profit from his criminal activities. That to me is where the offense to society occurs. Not in how the cops took this scum off the streets.
Isn't there a law that prevents convicted criminals from profiting from their crimes by way of book or movie rights?

Peter T. 05-14-2009 10:25 AM

I think someone is confused. "Normal" high school kids do NOT participate in those types of activities. Who knows what else they might have attempted had they gotten away. It's unfortunate they were shot, but don't try to defend their actions. Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

TerryH 05-14-2009 10:50 AM

So anyone in a car who's driver suddenly decides to flee police is guilty by association and also deserves to be shot even though the act of fleeing is the only known felony? Interesting concept, but wrong.

KevinP73 05-14-2009 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TerryH (Post 4663493)
So anyone in a car who's driver suddenly decides to flee police is guilty by association and also deserves to be shot even though the act of fleeing is the only known felony? Interesting concept, but wrong.

Yep thats right. If you're in the car and the driver decides to run I'd say it's your turn to pick the team you want to be on. If it's not your decision to run from the cops you reach over and turn the key, grab the steering wheel, pull up on the hand brake or jump out the friggin door. Do something to show your dissaproval of the drivers actions or run the risk that his/her actions may bring. It's not brain rocket science, it's f****n common sense.

Super_Dave_D 05-14-2009 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinP73 (Post 4663555)
Yep thats right. If you're in the car and the driver decides to run I'd say it's your turn to pick the team you want to be on. If it's not your decision to run from the cops you reach over and turn the key, grab the steering wheel, pull up on the hand brake or jump out the friggin door. Do something to show your dissaproval of the drivers actions or run the risk that his/her actions may bring. It's not brain rocket science, it's f****n common sense.


So what if its a 6 year old?? Just kill em and let God sort em out? Flawed concept.

TerryH 05-14-2009 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinP73 (Post 4663555)
Yep thats right. If you're in the car and the driver decides to run I'd say it's your turn to pick the team you want to be on. If it's not your decision to run from the cops you reach over and turn the key, grab the steering wheel, pull up on the hand brake or jump out the friggin door. Do something to show your dissaproval of the drivers actions or run the risk that his/her actions may bring. It's not brain rocket science, it's f****n common sense.

What if you're strapped into your child saftey seat and can't reach the keys?

KevinP73 05-14-2009 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TerryH (Post 4663600)
What if you're strapped into your child saftey seat and can't reach the keys?

You learn at an early age that your parent was a dumbass and got you killed before you had a fair chance at life.

KevinP73 05-14-2009 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Super_Dave_D (Post 4663597)
So what if its a 6 year old?? Just kill em and let God sort em out? Flawed concept.

Who better to sort the good from the bad than GOD?

Super_Dave_D 05-14-2009 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinP73 (Post 4663666)
Who better to sort the good from the bad than GOD?

No kids huh?

KevinP73 05-14-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Super_Dave_D (Post 4663716)
No kids huh?

TWO and a grand daughter, none of which has ever had their life put in danger by me running from the police while they were strapped in their baby seat or left in the car while I was in a crack house getting my dope. None have died playing with a gun I left loaded under the pillow or burned to death 'cause I got drunk and passed out with a burning cigarette in my hands.
My point is my kids had a parent with enough common sense to give them a better than average chance of growing up.

slodave 05-14-2009 01:18 PM

And so it begins..

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Rodriguez was taken to Greater El Monte Community Hospital. It's unclear whether his injuries were sustained by an earlier car crash or from the blow to the head.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-officer-kicks14-2009may14,0,3107883.story

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The decision by an El Monte police officer to kick a suspect in the face following a 40-minute pursuit was roundly criticized by policing experts today as inexcusable and unnecessary.

Video shot by at least two local television news stations shows the unidentified El Monte officer kicking 23-year-old Richard Rodriguez in the face after Rodriguez had put his hands up and fell to the ground in a prone position with his arms above his head.

Samuel Walker, a criminology professor at the University of Nebraska and an expert in police oversight and force, said the officer's kick to the head was “unprovoked and unnecessary," calling the actions "one of the worst incidents of this kind that I've seen."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05/el-monte-officers-actions-and-tactics-questioned.html

My biggest issue is that the California tax payers will probably have to cover this. It will already cost us about $45,000 a year to house him. OK, no real problem with that. Now the suspect is in the hospital. If the injury is because of the kick to the head, then the tax payers now have to foot the hospital bill due to the inability of the officer to restrain himself. Next comes the lawsuit and no matter if the suspect is awarded anything, the tax payer will still have to foot the bill for the court costs.

If the officer(s) are found to have used excessive force and found to be at fault, then they should have to pay for all the incurred costs that directly relate to their abuse. Not the tax payer.

KevinP73 05-14-2009 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by slodave (Post 4663828)
And so it begins..
My biggest issue is that the California tax payers will probably have to cover this. It will already cost us about $45,000 a year to house him. OK, no real problem with that.

This is where the problem begins. YOU should have a problem with this. This human turd is a drain on society whether he is free or in jail. What contribution to society does he offer? I know I'd like to have a couple years off, room and board, free medical all my pals around me 24/7. Should I go steal a car or rob and kill a tourist
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Next comes the lawsuit and no matter if the suspect is awarded anything, the tax payer will still have to foot the bill for the court costs.
Easy fix. Lets eliminate the court system for this guy altogether. He has no respect or regard for it anyway. He, as a gangbanger, has accepted that he could be killed by a rival banger. It's all part of the gangster life right? How 'bout we make getting taken out by law abiding citizens as part of the gangster lifestyle also?

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If the officer(s) are found to have used excessive force and found to be at fault, then they should have to pay for all the incurred costs that directly relate to their abuse. Not the tax payer.
If this is your logic than why can't we as a society hold the criminal accountable for his activities. Again "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time".

Danimal16 05-14-2009 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TerryH (Post 4663493)
So anyone in a car who's driver suddenly decides to flee police is guilty by association and also deserves to be shot even though the act of fleeing is the only known felony? Interesting concept, but wrong.

Nope, we just wing em!

This is the tragedy of deadly force, innocent folks. Also, the report I heard said that when the Billy Butthead (the driver) slowed or stopped one of the passengers jumped out. (Good for him).

slodave 05-14-2009 02:16 PM

On my iPhone, so response is short. Why are you defending the officer Kevin? We live in a society where tax payers pay to keep criminals in jail, plain and simple. If there could be another way to do this, I am all for it.

Asyou are well aware, Califorina does not have money. The officers actions potentially cost Cali even more money. It's your tax dollars Kevin.

TerryH 05-14-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by slodave (Post 4663980)
On my iPhone, so response is short. Why are you defending the officer Kevin? We live in a society where tax payers pay to keep criminals in jail, plain and simple. If there could be another way to do this, I am all for it.

Asyou are well aware, Califorina does not have money. The officers actions potentially cost Cali even more money. It's your tax dollars Kevin.

Don't blame Kevin, he was just born a couple hundred years too late. ;)

KevinP73 05-14-2009 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by slodave (Post 4663980)
On my iPhone, so response is short. Why are you defending the officer Kevin? We live in a society where tax payers pay to keep criminals in jail, plain and simple. If there could be another way to do this, I am all for it.

Asyou are well aware, Califorina does not have money. The officers actions potentially cost Cali even more money. It's your tax dollars Kevin.

California has no money for many reasons, one reason is because some people are "OK" with the $45,000 a year to house and feed this element whose sole intent is to feed off of society. I'm tired of paying to keep these people in jail. There is another way to handle them....Ready....Aim....Fire!

KevinP73 05-14-2009 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TerryH (Post 4663998)
Don't blame Kevin, he was just born a couple hundred years too late. ;)

Thank You for proving my point. 200 years ago you'd never have heard of anyone stealing a car and leading police on a half hour high speed chase ending in an accident involving innocent civilians and them crying foul when they took a freakin boot to the skull. Back then stealin a horse would get you strung up from the closest tree and nobody would even miss your sorry ass.

TerryH 05-14-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinP73 (Post 4664017)
Thank You for proving my point. 200 years ago you'd never have heard of anyone stealing a car and leading police on a half hour high speed chase ending in an accident involving innocent civilians and them crying foul when they took a freakin boot to the skull. Back then stealin a horse would get you strung up from the closest tree and nobody would even miss your sorry ass.

Yes, no nonsense justice was served. Usually didn't matter if he was innocent or not. Strange horse without a bill of sale, and you're swinging from the nearest tree.

We can't let vigilantes, like rogue cops who think they've earned the right, to beat people just their own enjoyment. No system is perfect, but going back into the dark ages won't happen.

slodave 05-14-2009 03:03 PM

Kevin, become a politian and change how the system works. Until the current system changes, tax payers are responsible to pay for an inmate.

KevinP73 05-14-2009 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TerryH (Post 4664047)
Yes, no nonsense justice was served. Usually didn't matter if he was innocent or not. Strange horse without a bill of sale, and you're swinging from the nearest tree.

We can't let vigilantes, like rogue cops who think they've earned the right, to beat people just their own enjoyment. No system is perfect, but going back into the dark ages won't happen.

You are right and I've expressed my opinion in a half off the cuff way just to make a point. But at what point do we as a society get to stand up and say "ENOUGH"?
A law was passed in this country preventing a person from capitalizing on a crime they had been convicted of (I'm sorry I can't cite the exact law) by selling the book or movie rights of the crime. Is it that much of a stretch to say "If you're an admitted gang member and you're running from the police in a stolen car then you DON"T get to sue the state or city if you are hurt as a result of your actions"? If you were standing in the doorway of a liquor store and some cop ran you down or shot you while responding to an alarm then I say go ahead, with my blessing, your civil rights were violated and one bad cop could lose his job. But there is a huge difference in scenarios here.

We make millionaires out of gang bangers while we cut teachers salaries. Am I the only one who sees a problem here?


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