Change doesn't start with politians, it start with one voice in the community saying I'm NOT "OK" with it.

Why not follow the lead of Sheriff Joe in AZ. Put all but the super bad guys in a tent outdoors. Pink underwear & nothing but baloney for lunch. No magazines and no porn at all. 110 degrees in the shade and no A/C. If the troops in Iraq can do it so can a the crooks. Check out what Sheriff Joe spends on keeping a prisoner in jail. Sheriff Joe is my hero!

I think the only "stretch" here is saying he was hurt because of his actions. You are still saying the cops were correct in their actions by kicking and beating him. Why not eliminate judges and courthouses? We can simply mete out punishment as our officers feel is appropriate in field.

I realize you are dreaming of the perfect world where justice is served correctly every time. Afraid we'll never get close. Perhaps you would be happier living in Iran or the like, where you lose limbs or are beheaded in a matter of minutes of sentence. No drag on society at all. ;)

Kevin, I'm with you 100%. Killing them is a form of population control of low lifes that bring us down. All this what ifs? When I was growing up, my parents didn't have any what ifs. Non at all. He didn't come home drunk beat my mother, and I didn't get into much trouble, beside the regular teenage crap like throwing a ball and breaking someone's window or speeding. When the red and blue lights came on, I stopped. THat's that. If I ran, I know I would get my a$$ kick, then my dad will really kick my a$$ after for sure. He would never sue. All this what ifs are really pissing me off. What if the next time, they let one go because of whatever the reason, they go and kill one of your kids or grandkids. I like to hear about your what ifs. Bull @#$%*$ $hit.

Thats exactly what I'm saying. It was his decision to steal a car (a felony) then run from police (a felony) he crashed into an innocent civilian and ran from the accident (a felony). ALL ACTIONS OF HIS OWN DOING. I seriously doubt that any LAPD officer suited up that day thinking "Gee I hope Victor Alverez steals a car today and leads us on a high speed pursuit, maybe he'll hit some innocent civilians or maybe a crossing gaurd. I just feel like kicking some ass today".

We as Californians dont have the stomach to 1. pay for adequate prison space or 2. privatize prisons (non union) so that the price is such that we will pay for adequate prison space or 3. simply pay every race, creed, color $10,000 cash on their 18th birthday if they become sterilized and stop this rampant overpopulation by the least productive segment of society.

The corporate farmers/illegal immigrant rights activists/non-skilled labor manufacturers will argue, "Then be prepared for a $10 head of lettuce, or a $10 Big Mac and fries". I am willing to pay whatever the market will bear for these items or I will simply do without them.

I am so sick of hearing the "Americans won't do these types of Jobs" argument. Oh yea? Well maybe these spoiled rotten college students would do these jobs so that they can pay for that college education that they are complaining has become SOOOOO expensive.

Maybe someone here can set me straight on this, but isn't it true that In & Out burgers pays their employees in excess of $10 per hour? Yet, somehow they are able to bring an outstanding product to market at an outstanding value, pricewise...

Who is lying to Whom?

This is getting way off topic.

Under today's laws, the officer should not have kicked the suspect in the head - PERIOD. Because he did and it was caught on tape, the suspect now can file a law suit and potentially win a settlement. The officer needed to show better restraint, it is not up to him to distribute vigilante justice! It is very clear that the suspect did not make any threatening movements and seemed to comply with the officer's request to lay on the ground. The suspect was spread eagle a FULL 4 seconds before the officer kicks him. What matters, is that this officer just cost California even more money.

If you don't like the current laws, then I suggest you get up really early tomorrow morning, close up shop/quit your job and go on up to your state capitol and change the laws.

At least someone here freakin' gets it...

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If a cop cannot uphold the law, he shouldn't be a cop, it's that simple. I couldn't do it, it's why i'm not a cop. If you want the gun and the nickel slick badge you gotta follow the rules and the law you're paid to enforce, it's that simple.

If you don't, you're just a fking criminal, no better than a crack head...worse.

Yes, as a professional the officer should have showed more restraint. Have any of you ever chased a bad guy down in your car at high speeds only to follow by foot pursuit? Your adrenalin is totally jacked up and at any moment this guy can pull a gun and the game is over for you. We can all sit back and play arm chair cop and say he should have done this or that...This happens way more than what we hear about it.

No one forces anyone to be a cop, to collect that paycheck.

If you cannot uphold the law you are paid to enforce, you should not be a fking cop.

yes. many, many times.

Its funny that not long ago, in the early 80 when I was a young kid, those big bad cops in cities like Glendale (for those in so cal that are old enough) were real bad asses and would make you eat their boots if you look at them wrong. I kind of like them now, because Glendale was a really really save town then. Its all gone to crap and not what it used to be. If it takes a bad cop, to get things back in order, then be it. Don't do anything wrong. Obey the law, what's the problem? Don't make them risk their lifes and chase you.

Some of you guys would have loved Nazi Germany or the Soviet KGB.

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"From now on, your men will march in front of my Panzers!"

Yet another case for citizen review boards. I find it incredible that these actions are only subject to internal review. We, the citizens, decide how our public employees treat us, not the other way around.

If, for some reason, this officer's actions are found to fall within departmental guidlines for the use of force, something must be done about those guidlines. I kind of doubt his actions will, but only because he was caught on tape. In the absence of that tape, I'm quite sure that no matter what this gang-banger (or any number of witnesses) said, there would be no investigation at all.

So, on a different level, let's address this "higher standard" to which we are always told they are held. What does that mean? In other words, how much trouble would a normal citizen like us get into for this kind of an assault vs. how much the officer will get into? I don't think I rember an officer ever getting into more trouble than we would; on the contrary, it always seems to be less. "Higher standard" indeed... We get beat up with this empty rhetoric in court, or under any circumstances where the officer's account contradicts the citizen's account. Or several citizens' accounts. The officer's is always given more weight, obstensibly due to this "higher standard". So what does that mean, really?

You want cops to be more careful? Easy. Remove the liability shield. Pass legislation that removes liability from the city or police department and puts it squarely on the shoulders of the individual officers. Let the individual officers buy umbrella liability coverage.

No more boots to the head. No more Rodney Kings. Done.

Yea and no more cops. Why don't we just pay them minimum wage and make them drive their own cars. I can't imagine the balls it takes to take down the bad guys for us. That cop should get nothing more than a solid thank you from all the people on the streets.

No. He should get a kick in the head from the taxpayers who will pay the price for his lack of discipline.

Like a building contractor who leaves ladders and generators and tools on a job-site overnight and Sundays "because I have insurance" - there is still that disconnect. The good will pay high premiums to carry the bad - and not much will change.

The problem is we have a country run by sue happy lawyers that work on the premise that something bad happens and you are entitled to a lottery payout. A kick in the head should get you an apology and the officer fired. Not a life on a beach.

For police it comes down to department standards, training, peer pressure, good management and more training. Like many professions.

My head keeps spinning;
I go to sleep and keep grinning;
If this is just the beginning,
My life's gonna be beautiful.
I've sun- shine enough to spread;
It's like the fella said,
"Tell me quick
Ain't love like a kick in the head?"

Like the fella once said,
Ain't that a kick in the head?