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GH85Carrera 08-28-2017 05:41 AM

The computer processed on the files all night and still it has a way to go. They had an update to the program, and now it runs a lot slower. Hopefully it does an even better job of the final file.

Busy day for me, Both systems are going to be busy. That is a great problem to have. :D

RKDinOKC 08-28-2017 05:57 AM

Oh great. The new MacOS and files system is going to be full 64 bit. That means a lot of the old tools and photoshop plugins I use will no longer work.

Reminds me when Mac went to System 7 and everything went 32 bit. Most all the apps updated, but we lost some fun stuff too. The good thing was the few viruses on the Mac that were in the wild weren't 32 bit so they died as well.

There was the Talking Moose. It would randomly pop a moose cartoon and say something then go away. It might say...I like pizza. or Quit picking on your sister. By the time you realized it said something it was gone.

There was also the Energizer Bunny. You could remotely install it on a computer on your local net that you had access to. Then after they rebooted the energizer bunny banging drum would go across the screen randomly. Mostly we sneaked in and installed it off a floppy.

What fun.

flipper35 08-28-2017 08:54 AM

Glad you were able to get the pictures started. You need one of those high end liquid nitrogen cooled CPUs so it will take a single day. They can't be that much can they?

GH85Carrera 08-28-2017 09:21 AM

Oh the software is scaleable. I can add "fusers" that work as just a slave. It splits the processing work on multiple computers. Just pay for the computers, and then the extra software seats. All it takes is deep pockets. If we get a mega project we will indeed do that. It can have up to 256 computers right now. That would cost a large fortune.

This project is a 6 square mile project at 4 inch pixel. It has 680 image to make into one big ol final image.

RKDinOKC 08-28-2017 09:26 AM

Gosh what's that 95,000 pixels x 95,000 pixels, 26Gig

GH85Carrera 08-28-2017 09:42 AM

there is tons of overlap. Like 80% image overlap for building a 3D model of the ground and the structures. It generates a report that will have all the details. It will be a large image for sure, with many hundreds of millions of points in the point map.

flipper35 08-28-2017 11:24 AM

So is that priced per computer or core? When you hit it big and have to process many of these per week you could do several ThreadRipper CPU's or whatever Intel has at the time if it is not core dependent pricing.

Richard, if it isn't in the shop does that mean it is being test driven?

RKDinOKC 08-28-2017 12:31 PM

Told me it was at the detailers.

flipper35 08-28-2017 12:43 PM

So it comes back all shiny and better than new!

RKDinOKC 08-28-2017 01:06 PM

Hope am doing the right thing...

Refinancing my house.
Because I spent so much fixing the CayenneS to sell and all the unexpected expenses on the Turbo, borrowed 10K on the Turbo. Because my credit rating was 850 got it at 3.75% even though it is a 2005 model.
With the 928 garage bill being about the same going to add both of those to the house refi.
House was at 4.6%.
Going with a 10/1 ARM at 3.375% with a cap at 8%.
10/1 means keeps the low rate for 10 years, then is readjusted every year a max of 2% with an overall interest cap at 8%
Loan payment will be $120/mo lower than current mortgage for 10 years.
And that's after taking out equity to add the cayenne and 928 repairs.

Evaluated a LOT of scenarios, just refi the house, add the car, make minimum payments, make current payments adding difference as principal payemnts, and adding car payment to principal payments. Decided best overall was to consolidate house and car.

Worst case, I keep making current mortgage payment with difference going to principal of new loan and pocket 4 years of car loan payments. Then if rate goes up to cap when adjusted in 10 years it will only be $40 increase in payment.
Benefit is will owe less in 10 years than current mortgage so could refi again if loan rates are more favorable than adjusted interest.

Plan is to make same payments as I am today for mortgage and car with the extra going to principal on new mortgage. Then when car would have been paid off, go to just what I am paying today for mortgage. At the 10 year adjustment point the principal will be paid down so much even an increase to 8% interest would still lower the payment.

The real difference instead of making principal and interest payments on Cayenne for 4 years, will be making that payment and interest on principal at beginning of Mortgage.

The financial advisors I talked to said it would be a smart move.

GH85Carrera 08-29-2017 05:32 AM

I am not sure I agree. I guess your monthly payment is less, but for a longer period. I have heard many people mortgage the house to buy a car or do a home improvements. I just know I could never get my wife to agree to use the house to pay for anything.

The file finally finished the first big step. As an uncompressed tiff file it is 6.8 Gig or 7,025,138,760 bytes. If we made an really really really big print that was "life size" so that the major section line roads were one mile apart like they are in the real world the cars and houses would be the same size. We could take that print to a flat field (Kansas) with no trees or buildings and lay in on the ground it would replicate the area we flew. If you walked around on the print each pixel would cover .3344 feet or 4.01 inches. That is why we call it a 4 inch pixel image. We can "zoom in" with the mapping software to a single pixel and have it fill the screen and measure that pixel. Of course it is just a square with just one color. Once we pull back and it combines with the pixels around it, it becomes an image.

It is too big to open in Photoshop. Too many pixels. If I want to do any Photoshop work I have to cut it up into pieces and then put it back together.

GH85Carrera 08-29-2017 06:35 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1504016987.jpg

This is one of the other files we make for the project. It is a DSM or Digital Surface model. If you took a giant silicone rubber mold of the surface of every tree, house and road and just everything there and made a mold of it that is what this represents. The blue is the lowest areas. The area in yellow is the highest. We have this in a high resolution and it is made from a point cloud that has just 2 points per meter. If we needed to we can make a point cloud with 20 points per square foot. We don't need it at all for this job, except to make the DSM, that makes the ortho rectified image, that we then print. For this job we have a ton more data then we need. It makes it super easy to see the drainage areas. And where NOT to build a house. The wide strip that runs east west is a transmission line for the power company. The easement is easy to see.

We can make a DTM or digital terrain model. That is where we measure the bald earth and eliminate all the trees and structures. With a heavily wooded area like this that would be a challenge. It is easy on open areas. It is a lot of work.

RKDinOKC 08-29-2017 06:42 AM

The minimum payment is lower, but if I continue to make current payment using the extra to pay down principal it wil pay off the loan quicker than my current loan for the same payment as now, even with the car added.

Remember back when photoshop had a new feature where it just loaded chunks of a graphic from disk to edit in memory. The limit was the file system, it could not save a file larger than 2 GB. As memory got more prevalent, that kinda went away, or into the background so you don't notice. Have no idea what the limits to photoshop are today.

Certainly hoping when the 928 gets out of the shop it is like new. I know they put on new rear tires on it.

GH85Carrera 08-29-2017 06:49 AM

The TIFF limit is 2 GB. There is a "Large TIFF" format that Photoshop can load, but it will not save it. If you want to hear some cussing stand behind someone with a several GB Photoshop file open and finished but they get the error, file too big to safe. Yea, that has happened to us.

We have files in the JPEG2000 format that are over 10 GB, and that would be 60 or 70 GB as a tiff file if tiff files that big were possible.

RKDinOKC 08-29-2017 07:07 AM

Just made a big white only file. 80,000 x 80,000 pixels, 17gb. Tried to save and it said the limit was 4GB for tiff. It did save with the Large Document Format. The file on my disk is 314.5MB. This is Photoshop C5. I'm sure it's still not nearly as big as your mapping programs can manage.

flipper35 08-29-2017 08:43 AM

Pretty impressive software.

GH85Carrera 08-29-2017 10:49 AM

Well, I found a weak link in my computer that I built for my house a few years back. It is total overkill for a home email system, but I like over-engineered toys. Not it is drafted into real work.

It is:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1504031919.jpg

It is a tower that has a 1TB mirrored RAID as the boot drive and a second 1TB as a scratch drive. It has a big fan on the front of the case, of course the cooling fan on the power supply, one fan on the back and one on the top.

The CPU fan is 3 inch fan and there is a motherboard fan for the memory and other parts.

With beating on the project the CPU pegs out at 100% usage on all 4 cores and all 8 processors. The memory gets all used and the hard drives are hammering away and full boat read write.

In other words, the software utilized all the resources. It goes along for a few hours and would just LOCK UP tight. I did a power down and restart and saw a CPU overheat warning. So I guess I will add a bigger CPU fan and one more chassis fan.

Now I need to find a good temp monitor program that runs under Win 10. I want something that will go away and not use resources if it is not running.

Off to ask a question of the Pelican brain trust.

flipper35 08-29-2017 11:48 AM

You might look at a closed loop liquid cooler. They aren't much more than a big air cooler these days. Piezo coolers have had issues with condensation if they don't cycle and heat cycles if they do cycle.

The article is a few years old but close to the age of your unit.

Closed Loop AIO Liquid Coolers: 14-way Mega Roundup Review

RKDinOKC 08-29-2017 12:00 PM

There ought to be a free app that puts the CPU temp and fan speed in the task bar.

My mac servers would send me an email when they temps started climbing above a certain point.

For a while they made a liquid cooled Mac tower. But they wouldn't have abandoned it without reason.

GH85Carrera 08-29-2017 12:09 PM

But, but, but that would mean a WATER PUMP? I don't know about them water pumps except they leak!

My 911 has never leaked any air onto the ground and the same for my computers. I have a big CPU fan that I already own. When I was building our mega machine which has never overheated even after a week of running at max. Of course it has the big CPU fan, 4 fans on the video card and 7 chassis fans.


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