Why Was V-E Day In 1945 And Not 1944?

[emcon5]

Originally Posted by imcarthur

Hey Snipe

Did you get to see this in the Casco Viejo? George (the taxi driver in the photo) told us that this was Noriega's pad.

I was there in 1990 doing anti-drug ops out of Howard AFB, and most of the buildings on Fort Amador had not been completely repaired. Sure looked like a war had rolled through town.

The 1 year anniversary of the invasion happened while I was there, and some of the locals were still a bit grumpy about it.

Charles, you are to the written English language what Bill McKinney was to Ned Beatty.

Tom

[Super_Dave_D]

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

ex. 16 shermans surround 1 ferdinand panzer. end result: no panzer and only 3 shermans left. no brainer.

Not trying to be picky but the Ferdinand was not a Panzer is was a Sturmgeschuetz (assault gun) and a very poor one at that. You must be speaking of the Tiger I or II both of which we faced in the western front but in such small numbers it didn't matter. The Panzer IV was much more prevalent and was commonly mistaken for a Tiger I. I hope I have my facts straight else I will get called out by HISTORY MASTER RPKESQ. I have my passport

[chapo]

Montgomery wanted to be there, Patton didnt want him there . Let Patton run. Why stop MacCarthur?

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by Super_Dave_D

Not trying to be picky but the Ferdinand was not a Panzer is was a Sturmgeschuetz (assault gun) and a very poor one at that. You must be speaking of the Tiger I or II both of which we faced in the western front but in such small numbers it didn't matter. The Panzer IV was much more prevalent and was commonly mistaken for a Tiger I. I hope I have my facts straight else I will get called out by HISTORY MASTER RPKESQ. I have my passport

History Master? Not really, but I do and have spent quite a lot of time digging through military archives from London to Moscow and the US.

You are 100% correct in your armor information. Even on the Eastern Front the Tiger I and II were far, far better at static defense than mobile offense (just like on the Western front). Most German "wonder" weapons were hamstrung by poor logistical support and poor operational usage or design. There were some German commanders who were superb in defense, but most were above average in defense (the easier skill to master) and only a few were talented at offense without high logistical support.

And congratulations on having your passport. There is a whole wide world out there. Go explore it.

[emcon5]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Most German "wonder" weapons were hamstrung by poor logistical support and poor operational usage or design.

I had the pleasure recently of taking a rather extensive tour of the late Jacques Littlefield' marvelous tank collection. They are just finishing up their Panther, and the guy who did a lot of the work on it talked about how it was an amazing vehicle, it really wasn't a very good design, particularly from a maintenance standpoint. He said it had 4 times as many parts as a contemporary T34 had. IIRC from his talk, to service the engine, you had to remove a bunch of stuff, and then you had to work bent over it. He said a lot of the mayor maintenance, like engine changes was intended to be done at the factory.

For comparison, he talked about the Sherman, and said how it was really built with service in mind. Evidently the entire back of the tank simply unbolts, to access the engine, and engines could be replaced very easily in forward areas.

The web site for the museum is here: http://www.milvehtechfound.com/
Unfortunately it hasn't been updated in a while.

I took about 400 photos when I was there: http://www.shedracing.net/imgmisc/littlefield/index.html

There are a bunch of videos on YouTube of the Panther, with details of a lot of it. Just browse them here: http://www.youtube.com/user/caddydave

[charleskieffner]

i have had my passport since i was 14........im 51 now.

i have cum laude degrees in biz mgmt and pyschology.

i was in the uscg/aux

i have traveled europa/mexico/canada/iceland/new brunswick/barbados/hawaii/across the u.s./arizona/kalif/utah/colorado in a jeep/dirtbike. scuba doved-dived B.C./pudget sound/L.A./san-dago/ensenada/sea of cortez/guaymas/lake powell/2 local lakes/dillon resevoir-colorado/lake tahoe on a boat salvage dive/hawaii(4X), barbados

excuse the hell out of me about using a ferdinand(its a porsche thang) as an example. how bout this?

panther surrounded by 16 shermans :end result no panther and 3 shermans left. and it wasnt piss ant 75mm shermie rounds going thru the front glacis on the panther, shermies had to outflank them or get behind where mm thickness of armor was thinner or pop a track off.

now how in hells name did they get so many POS shermans? aka ronson aka tommy cookers.

history is in the eyes of the beholder sometimes. but when it comes to facts..........

the brits/frenchies ge-split europe under the blitzkreig doctrine. france was occupied as well as most of europe.

had it not been for the u.s. england would have probably been invaded also and folded. when you have no guns/ammo/tanks/planes/ships and yer surrounded by u-botes............yer like SCREWED!

now history supports the fact that we THE U.S. saved england. WE liberated europe. WE liberated the pacific.

we is king daddy of the world.........then and today. we is always right. even when we are wrong we are right because we said so and our kung fu is bigger than anyones kung fu. we is the policeman of the world. we didnt ask for this. we didnt really want it. but when country after country slide down the road of anarchy and kaos............we get to play maxwell smart and CONTROL everyjuan so they play well with others. its in our strategic interest to make everyjuan play well with others.

now who historically bailed the lil fromage boys from indochina????

yep the u.s. once again. when the idiot fromage generalettes decided to camp out on top of a vietnamese anthill,surrounded by entrenched artillary, without air support/road supply support and get their asses handed to them in lil pieces.

now did the u.s. get their ass kicked in vietnam.............never. when attacked we handed the VC their asses and history shows that.

btwn our pull out and less pesos being given to south vietnam, the south lost the war. we did not, nor did we loose any major battles. militarily we never lost in vietnam. politically/materially yes due to south vietnam folding like a house of cards just like the french.

i have been to france. nice countryside,nice buildings, good fromage, good wine,some nice art,too many churches, smelly river seine, women with hairy armpits and legs. lots of concrete left over from nazis. louis's golden house of idiocy-versailles etc. we traveled europa for 3 months during 1972. i was smack dab in the middle of olympische spieler im munchen when the shooting started. front and feeking center, with a san diego chargers #72 jersey on(big target) and ran like a mo-fo and got the hell outta dodge back to salzburger lehrerhaus.

france has the distinction of lots of rude people. like worse than i have ever seen in my travels. what gives with that crap diplomacy??? the krauts treated us like kings,the swiss treated us nice, the brits treated us nice, but not the french. they would short change us, give us bad if not wrong directions etc. every single day i was there we ran into some rude ass french fromage boy/girl? it wasnt like we were "charlie" or somejuan with a freeking "swastika" carved into our forehead! how bir-zzar-how bir-zarr!

i think the next time i walk around town here and some tourista morons from fromage-ville come out of the boulders 5 star resort and ask me where the grand canyon is???? im gonna tell them how ungrateful they are to the united states for liberating them from a nazi hell hole, how they couldnt fight their way out of a closet, and that by the way, the grand canyon is south on I-10 about 4 hrs away-buenas dias cabeza fromage! and let them know how we feel about ungrateful individuals from certain countries.

right now i am trying to think of anything french i own or have purchased. thankfully i cant think of anything otherwise it would become a target for my M-14/HK! about the only thing i do like from fromage ville is zodiac boats for diving. but i can solve that by purchasing an AVON from the U.K!

im not really a wine drinker so i dont have to worry.

i dont eat french fries very often if at all

i refuse to fly on AIR-BUSS's

and i only like swiss cheese/american cheese/messikan queso.

on my upcoming honeymoon to barbados........i will refuse to go to any of the french holdings in the carribean, and spend my hard earned american dollar ONLY in countrys that appreciate the quality of life and freedoms our country had men die for.

COOL NOT JUAN (1) PENNY OF MY INCOME GOES TO FROMAGE-VILLE! i will singlehandedly bankrupt your country in no time at all. why ? because i dont like ungrateful/pompous/moronic behavior from anyone!

about the ONLY thing i ever liked about france was bridget bardot and jacques cousteau and HES DEAD! and she looks like SHES DEAD!

after 37 years since i was on top of the eiffel tower......................i dont feel the slightest shame in hacking up a big GIANT GREEN LOOO-GEE and SPITTING ON TOP OF SOME FRENCH DUDES HEAD for the way we were treated.

treat me like crap..........the favor is returned..........always and i dont ferget........cuz im a uneducated redneck thats 6'3" 215# with an attitude. AND I CAN!

GIT 'ER-DUN!

p.s. in todays terminology.........MONTE could be described as a 1) metrosexual 2) a product boy. pick both and you would be spot on correct! LMFAO!

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by emcon5

I had the pleasure recently of taking a rather extensive tour of the late Jacques Littlefield' marvelous tank collection. They are just finishing up their Panther, and the guy who did a lot of the work on it talked about how it was an amazing vehicle, it really wasn't a very good design, particularly from a maintenance standpoint. He said it had 4 times as many parts as a contemporary T34 had. IIRC from his talk, to service the engine, you had to remove a bunch of stuff, and then you had to work bent over it.

A Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, or Audi is no different.

Changing shocks in my 928 is an all day job. So are the motor mounts. You have to pull the engine just to change the cam cover gaskets.

It's really insane.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

i have cum laude degrees in biz mgmt and pyschology.

That dosen't equate to history knowledge and it shows.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

i was in the uscg/aux

Wow, so was I. Hardly combat now, was it?

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

i have traveled europa/mexico/canada/iceland/new brunswick/barbados/hawaii/across the u.s./arizona/kalif/utah/colorado in a jeep/dirtbike. scuba doved-dived B.C./pudget sound/L.A./san-dago/ensenada/sea of cortez/guaymas/lake powell/2 local lakes/dillon resevoir-colorado/lake tahoe on a boat salvage dive/hawaii(4X), barbados

Great, but that has not seemingly widened your world view or history knowledge base.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

excuse the hell out of me about using a ferdinand(its a porsche thang) as an example. how bout this?

panther surrounded by 16 shermans :end result no panther and 3 shermans left. and it wasnt piss ant 75mm shermie rounds going thru the front glacis on the panther, shermies had to outflank them or get behind where mm thickness of armor was thinner or pop a track off.

now how in hells name did they get so many POS shermans? aka ronson aka tommy cookers.

The actual facts are not quite like you want to present them. The Shermans were superb all around tanks. The Pather was only slightly better than the T-34 of the same time period in gun or armour and much less mobile and durable than the Sherman or T-34. In short, the Panther worked best in a purely defensive mode (which was not what the Allies were doing). Defense is always easier than offense. Later model Shermans were up gunned and had better fire resisitance. You would think a blowhard redneck who thinks he knows all about military history would know these things.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

history is in the eyes of the beholder sometimes. but when it comes to facts..........

the brits/frenchies ge-split europe under the blitzkreig doctrine. france was occupied as well as most of europe.

had it not been for the u.s. england would have probably been invaded also and folded. when you have no guns/ammo/tanks/planes/ships and yer surrounded by u-botes............yer like SCREWED!

now history supports the fact that we THE U.S. saved england. WE liberated europe. WE liberated the pacific.

History supports that the US sat out the first two years of the war and won in neither theater without help from other Allies.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

we is king daddy of the world.........then and today. we is always right. even when we are wrong we are right because we said so and our kung fu is bigger than anyones kung fu. we is the policeman of the world. we didnt ask for this. we didnt really want it. but when country after country slide down the road of anarchy and kaos............we get to play maxwell smart and CONTROL everyjuan so they play well with others. its in our strategic interest to make everyjuan play well with others.

This type of rant is typical redneck drivel. It only plays to other ignorant rednecks. The British, Indians, Canadians, Free French, Free Poles, Russians, Partisans from every German occupied country, Australians, New Zelanders, Phillipinos, Chinese, South Africans amoung others who gave their lives to beat the Germans and Japanese are all wondering why they are left out when you assign credit. Almost all D-Day intelligence came from the French Resisitance, which greatly reduced the US causalties and enormously increased the chances for success for the Allies. All those lives given for a common cause salute your ignorance and blind selfish pride.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

now did the u.s. get their ass kicked in vietnam.............never. when attacked we handed the VC their asses and history shows that.

btwn our pull out and less pesos being given to south vietnam, the south lost the war. we did not, nor did we loose any major battles. militarily we never lost in vietnam. politically/materially yes due to south vietnam folding like a house of cards just like the french.

Yes, we won large battles on the ground Vietnam, but I assure you the US lost many small actions. And looking at just the combat phase as the only measure of success in war is infantile at best and shear idiocy at worst (this viewpoint is mostly heard from armchair warriors, not from people who have seen combat). We "lost" everything we were trying to do in Vietnam. It was a total failure.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

i have been to france. nice countryside,nice buildings, good fromage, good wine,some nice art,too many churches, smelly river seine, women with hairy armpits and legs. lots of concrete left over from nazis. louis's golden house of idiocy-versailles etc. we traveled europa for 3 months during 1972. i was smack dab in the middle of olympische spieler im munchen when the shooting started. front and feeking center, with a san diego chargers #72 jersey on(big target) and ran like a mo-fo and got the hell outta dodge back to salzburger lehrerhaus.

france has the distinction of lots of rude people. like worse than i have ever seen in my travels. what gives with that crap diplomacy??? the krauts treated us like kings,the swiss treated us nice, the brits treated us nice, but not the french. they would short change us, give us bad if not wrong directions etc. every single day i was there we ran into some rude ass french fromage boy/girl? it wasnt like we were "charlie" or somejuan with a freeking "swastika" carved into our forehead! how bir-zzar-how bir-zarr!

My goodness! 3 whole months in Europe (37 years ago!) and now "you is a 'xpert"! Very impressive! I have had great experiences all across Europe. I have never had an experience of rudeness from any French person. But I have witnessed such exchanges between impolite ignorant Americans who think their ***** dosen't stink. Then the French (as well as many other cultures) will have problems with you as they are an extremely polite people. From your previously posted diatribes, I know why you were treated rudely.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

i think the next time i walk around town here and some tourista morons from fromage-ville come out of the boulders 5 star resort and ask me where the grand canyon is???? im gonna tell them how ungrateful they are to the united states for liberating them from a nazi hell hole, how they couldnt fight their way out of a closet, and that by the way, the grand canyon is south on I-10 about 4 hrs away-buenas dias cabeza fromage! and let them know how we feel about ungrateful individuals from certain countries.

By all means spread your ignorance around, after all according to your version of history, it's the American way.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

right now i am trying to think of anything french i own or have purchased. thankfully i cant think of anything otherwise it would become a target for my M-14/HK! about the only thing i do like from fromage ville is zodiac boats for diving. but i can solve that by purchasing an AVON from the U.K!

There is a typical idioctic solution, shoot the goods that you paid for because you are having a hissy fit over being corrected on your history ignorance. Congradulations on being all balls and no brain. BTW Zodiac owns Avon.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

im not really a wine drinker so i dont have to worry.

i dont eat french fries very often if at all

They are not French, nitwit.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

i refuse to fly on AIR-BUSS's

Based on emotion, not facts. Its interesting that due to your ignorance you are will to punnish the very people you praised earlier in this post (Germans and British)

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

and i only like swiss cheese/american cheese/messikan queso.

We understand, you are completely uneducated to anything refined.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

on my upcoming honeymoon to barbados........i will refuse to go to any of the french holdings in the carribean, and spend my hard earned american dollar ONLY in countrys that appreciate the quality of life and freedoms our country had men die for.

COOL NOT JUAN (1) PENNY OF MY INCOME GOES TO FROMAGE-VILLE! i will singlehandedly bankrupt your country in no time at all. why ? because i dont like ungrateful/pompous/moronic behavior from anyone!

Please tell us in a coherent manner how your childish emotional actions will affect France to the point of bankruptcy. We would all like to see this plan. Give my condolences to your wife to be.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

after 37 years since i was on top of the eiffel tower......................i dont feel the slightest shame in hacking up a big GIANT GREEN LOOO-GEE and SPITTING ON TOP OF SOME FRENCH DUDES HEAD for the way we were treated.

treat me like crap..........the favor is returned..........always and i dont ferget........cuz im a uneducated redneck thats 6'3" 215# with an attitude. AND I CAN!

GIT 'ER-DUN!

Oh this is so precious! An internet threat of violence. Now your true nature is shown. A whinning when caught, no combat experience uber hawk, that talks big over the internet. I've seen your type many times before. You're a dime a dozen.

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

p.s. in todays terminology.........MONTE could be described as a 1) metrosexual 2) a product boy. pick both and you would be spot on correct! LMFAO!

No, he would not be as Monty was similar to many British General Staff officers of the time (a little research would show you that). So yes, I am LMFAO about you.

[Deschodt]

It's not even a fair fight... Funny though, thanks for the laughs ! ;-)

[imcarthur]

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

but when it comes to facts..........

. . . we all know that we won't get any from you.

Your post is an insult to all of the 'other' allies who contributed to the defeat of the Axis nations in WW2. I guess their sacrifice means nothing to you.

Here are some links for you:

Allies of World War II

Participants in World War II

My father (Canadian) did his 1st tour with the 149th RAF Bomber Group & was partway through his 2nd with the 37th BEFORE your country even joined the war.

Ian

[charleskieffner]

why was patton placed elsewhere prior to d-day?


cause the nazi's where scared to death of him. where patton was supposed to invade they placed manpower.


they sure as hell wernt skeered of monte. he had proven his pompous tactics one too many times thruout afrika and italy at the cost of many brits,nz,aus,canadian lives. pure cannon fodder. and he proved it again during market garden.

the nazis knew when patton got involved it was yer classic apache take no prisoners attack.

now as far as your pompous diatribe against my alleged red neck views...........

well lets just say: you fell for the bait! dumkopf

[charleskieffner]

Originally Posted by imcarthur

. . . we all know that we won't get any from you.

Your post is an insult to all of the 'other' allies who contributed to the defeat of the Axis nations in WW2. I guess their sacrifice means nothing to you.

Here are some links for you:

Allies of World War II

Participants in World War II

My father (Canadian) did his 1st tour with the 149th RAF Bomber Group & was partway through his 2nd with the 37th BEFORE your country even joined the war.

Ian

how did i insult any of the allies. history bears me out. i think it was called dunkirk. touchy arent we?????

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

why was patton placed elsewhere prior to d-day?


cause the nazi's where scared to death of him. where patton was supposed to invade they placed manpower.


they sure as hell wernt skeered of monte. he had proven his pompous tactics one too many times thruout afrika and italy at the cost of many brits,nz,aus,canadian lives. pure cannon fodder. and he proved it again during market garden.

the nazis knew when patton got involved it was yer classic apache take no prisoners attack.

now as far as your pompous diatribe against my alleged red neck views...........

well lets just say: you fell for the bait! dumkopf

Right.......................

Your posted idiocy really showed everybody, just how smart you really are. Go play-act at being a warrior, that is what you are good at and leave the adults to talk about adult things.

[charleskieffner]

the "french fry" line was CLASSIC! LMFAO!


i'll never go to the statue of liberty EVER AGAIN! hahahahahahahaha


frara-zhaka frara zhaka, door may vu, door may vu, sunday monday, i DO tina, sunday monday, i DO tina........door may vu! hahahaha.

yep us dum old uneducated rednecks fromage bashing/monte bashing.


gawd damn i wish i was SO COSMOPOLITAN und WORDLY in my knowledge of history.

i think im gonna start a movement called the anti fromage/monte league.


once agin fer review a kwick hysterical synopsis:

pepe-le-pu was a striped ass skunk not a spotted skunk

king louis I-II-III-IV-V-VI etc were nut jobs(im almost positive yer a descendant)

marie attoinette(sp) got her cake

the river seine stinks and thats why perfume was invented due to lack of a clean/potable water source for bathing.

the french surrendered to the messikans and their muy rapido/rabid chiuahas(sp) death squads

napoleon was a short pompous moron and slept with POODLES!

napoleon got his ass kicked and handed to him by the russians and old man winter. his POODLES CRAPPED IN HIS BOOTS!

the freench surrendered in wwi

the freench surrendered in wwii
the freench had many nazi sympathizers in fromage and afrika-pure patriots-right!

the french got their ass kicked/pureed/handed to them in indochina.

the u.s. and allies bailed them out in wwi
the u.s. and allies bailed them out in wwii(monte was a product boy who slept with poodles) there will be a quiz on this!)
the u.s. and allies bailed them out in indochina

villa de fromage is free today because of the u.s. and they treated tourists at age 14(me) like crap. also my soon to be wife when she was 21 traveled to europe and ze freenchys treated her and her family the same. when talking about our experiences in europe we both agreed as quite a few others can attest to how poorly the french treated us with no altercations/or poor pompous behavior on our parts whatsoever. hmmmmm seems to be a pattern here of dysfunctional anti-american tourist behavior.

im sorry i ate in new york at the historical site where washington and lafeyette made the dirty deal to help fund the revolution with sorely needed pesos$$$.

and once agin...............im an understanding compassionate man. i dont hate ze feeenchys, i dont hate monte. they were/are just misquided/confused/angry and most of all......TOUCHED!

but when asked directions to the grand canyon by them...............


its going to be a very long arduous journey for them. trust me. LOL!

and in passing (gas)..........avon is owned by zodiac. very good.

and finally...........with a heavy heart/tired eyes/tired fingers/tears in my eyes from laughing so hard and damn near hurling my lunch on my screen from this BOOFOONARY....................

YOU MY FRIEND........THE GREAT LOVER OF EVERYTHING FRENCH...............probably sleep with POODLES ALSO!

your onscreen personality has escalated to horrible verbal attacks/ downright verbal abuse/pompous "im better than you" abuse/possible on-line threats, and i just cant take this anymore. ........................


i think i'll SURRENDER! and go find a poodle

im telling wayne nany nany boo boo!

[charleskieffner]

as a FINAL COUP DE GRACE to monte(and fromage boy) regarding many of his pompous blunders that HISTORY RECORDS(aside from his poodle fetish)involving operation market garden............


monte repeatedly ignored intelligence(advice) from ULTRA re: his landing site being filled(FREEKING FILLED) with german infantry and armor.

the DESTRUCTION of the british 1st airborne division(a freeking division!) @ arnhem and the end result the operation ended in a UNMITIGATED DISASTER and the LOSS of ANY HOPE OF INVADING GERMANY by THE END OF 1944!


jus the facts jacques


and by the way montes postwar autobigraphy blasting eisenhowers alleged incompetence(pot calling kettel black) during wwii led, eisenhower and others to forever SHUN HIM!

monte died very lonely, with his poodle(a gift from de gaulle) at the age of 88.


so yes to get the FINAL CORRECT ANSWER TO THIS INSANE FREE FRENCH DIATRIBE OF HOW US REDNECKS BASH FROGS BECAUSE their pompous idiots, and WHY THE WAR LASTED LONGER(please look up montes spotless heroic efforts during ardennes-what a chicken-shatt-"my men arent prepared").........


the correct answer is:


YES THE WAR LASTED LONGER BECAUSE OF MONTE BEING STOOPID!

[RPKESQ]

Charlie boy! Still slinging the lies. I have enjoyed watching you self-destruct in front of all of PPOT with your posted little boy diatribes. My job is done here.

You just go outside and play-act the big mean warrior. We are all so impressed!

[charleskieffner]

oh gawd its YOU AGAIN!....fromage esq. i have not self destructed here on ppot. quite the contrary. i have never had my blood pressure rise here once. i havent resorted to "my kung fu is stronger than your kung fu" tactics, despite escalating verbal abuse by you. i have just risen to the challenge and stated who i am, my pedigrees, and my factual knowledge gained from first hand experience with traveling in france at the tender age of 14. and the fact the french are rude and history writtian by others WAYYY more intelligent than you, have proven the fact MONTE WAS AN INEPT POMPOUS HORSES ASS very much like yerself.

the fact remains and it is writtian mon-sewer monte got ALOT OF PEOPLE KILLED and the war in europa DID last longer because HE WAS STOO-PID!

i have had great fun/laughs/giggles baiting yer sorry ass here. i love curmudgeons like you who think ya know it all.

i especially have loved all the private e-mails attesting to this fact.


your new name here is now "AKA-THE FROG!"

the people that personally know me here, realize A) i will never back down(unlike the french who surrender at the drop of a hat) B) even when im wrong i am still right C) even when you are right yer still wrong and i am right. D) i dont strive to be the "worlds most interesting man" like yerself E) whatever the hell history books yer reading that makes monte a freeking ICON, were probably writtian by himself! or he was yer daddy???

it amazes me as we go on so many pages now, how this has escalated from page 1 to your threatening attacks upon me, because i disagree with your "view of distorted history" according to fromageboy aka "the frog".

i have every right to disagree with anyjuan i choose. thats called freedom of speech. sumthang the french didnt have during wwi and wwii, because they had a jackboot shoved up their surrendering keesters.

and when someone disagrees with me.......hey thats fine.


im in such a quandry right now. nobody likes me here. "the frog" doesnt love me. everyjuan tells me im wrong and MONTE was a feeking genius SON GOD FREEKING ICON!

i just dont see how i can handle this anymore. i think i'll commit suicide and show all of you whos kung fu is stronger. i'll show you guys!

im gonna shoot myself with a FRENCH RIFLE LEFT IN THE MUD FROM VIETNAM!


good bye cruel world................."CLICK".........WTF? it didnt go BANG??? rack..........ITS UNLOADED! LMFAO!


monte WAS A MORON.

ze frenchys have historically surrendered or become traitors to their liberators and their fellow citizens(vichy-operation torch). why was the french fleet SCUTTLED THERE???? hmmmm. ie. ze frenchys and the italians will sleep with whomever butters their bread.


monte was a MORON.....just ask anyone LEFT from the british 1st airborne division!!!!!! fromageesq........you just cant handle THE TRUTH!

i dont HATE THE FRENCH.........i just kinda consider them like someone else's kids in the grocery aisle. they aint mine, there cute, but their still a PITA!


NOW! fromage esq. when you go to bed tonight you will take your blood pressure medicine as per your doctor, you will take a stiff swig of a tecate(kuz yer the MOST INTERESTING MAN IN THE WORLD), and you will repeat over and over until you fall asleep..............

"MONTE WAS A MORON" MONTE WAS A MORON" 'MONTE WAS A MORON" "kid charlemagne (me) IS HISTORICALLY CORRECT."

and in the morning when you arise............and you take your anti-depressants, to stem your depression from being a hardcore over the top FRANCOPHILE and realize that kid charlemagne(lil 'ol redneck me), is and always will be historically correct........you can get on with a LIFE!

"BON-VOYAGE"

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Did I miss something...

For me its not Charlies facts they are more or less right. However he is playing a little loose and fast with his conclusions.

Now RPK is right on with his facts...but he is a little too in love wioth Europe, and does not come out and say the USA was the Arsenal of Democracy.

Fact is the USA ALL by itself could have beaten bothe Germany and Japan. The US industrial capacity was GREATER then Germany and Japan combined and we had the manpower (population) to mobilize to do it. After Pearl Harbour we also had the WILL to see it through.

What Britain and the other Allies did was provide was manpower and some industrial output. Also they provided a base to operate from (UK as case in point). Without that base without doubt it would have been a daunting task. So let us hear it for the Brits. for their courage in the face of daunting odds.

Let us not forget those Ruskies and their tenacious stand. But without the US entry into the war in 12/41 Stalin would not have been able to pull those divisions outa Siberia to defend Moscow...

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As for the French...can we say VICHY

DeGaulle and his Free French were the only ones who didn't roll over and raise the white flag.

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Because they didn't have the internet back then. I'm sure their are some Japanese soldiers on a deserted island in the pacific who think the war is still on. LOL