Why, just buy Touareg V10 TDI...that's a sleeper.

Having driven a few 928's I can say they are marvelous on the highway but turn-in is tank-like.

The sport classic is overpriced to be sure but it is beautiful.

Couple of comments about "the facts" in this thread

- Drive a 911 well and you don't need to brake in the corners.
- Comparing the new 911 to the Beetle is a little like comparing a rock to a hand gun. Sure you can kill a guy with either one but then it's not really the same now is it.
- 911s are indeed race cars, in fact Porsche builds more race cars per year than any other manufacturer, the vast majority being 911 variants

I would only buy either if it was at steal x10 prices.

I really an not an SUV person....at all. In fact it would be safe to say i hate the very essence of their being.

Try one with the bilstien shock/eibach spring factory handling package, bigger than stock rubber, that's been put on a diet. My 2900lb 928 loves the curves, and will destory a "standard" 928 in the twisties.

But even stock your characterization is utterly ridiculous. Tank like....LOL.

Unless something obstructs your line. Like a deer. Or the race car in front of you spinning out.

You know...an emergency.

The 928 (or 944) can handle huge changes in throttle setting or heavy braking mid curve. Many 911's.....not so much. Try that crap and it's ass-end first into the wall.

This is simply not true. The Porsche 911 is based on the VW Beetle. (it might be more accurate to say the 911 is based on the 356, which is based on the VW Beetle, but whatever).

Rear engine, same basic suspension (early models), evolved version of the same engine design and configuration, many shared body lines.

You can deny it all you want, but it's still true.

911 race car versions are race cars. 911 street cars are....street cars.

As for your claim that they build the most, i have no idea if that's true, nor is it in any way relevant to the discussion at hand, which is the 911's styling.

This thread has proven what many of us have known all along..... snipe is an IDIOT an is willing to go above and beyond to prove it...... Have fun with your 928..... it is soooo cooooolll!!!! Maybe you can join a hair band, I hear white snake is looking to do a reunion tour, the rest of us will move along. Nothing to see here......

The 911 has always been an extreme example of "engineering over design". The same guy designed the VW as the early Porsches and yes, he liked putting the engine in the rear. It would be a much better argument that 356s are similar to VWs, the 911 did not share much with the Beetle other than the air-cooled rear engine.

The latest 911 variants are really extreme examples of engineering over design. I seriously doubt that snipe has driven a 997 and he'd be singing a different tune if he did. (Assuming that he knows how to drive). They are astonishingly great cars by anyone's standard, handling and safety-wise. :cool:

perfect DD.........

Negative, it's still around because there are some people that won't let it go.

There have been many cars that were just as good that were discontinued over the years. Some were Porsche's for that matter.

You can power-on oversteer a 928 all you want though. ;)

And this post is a perfect example of why you're on my ignore list. I've said over and over 911's are brilliant machines, i just think thier styling is hopelessly outdated and terribly tired. A lot of people agree, because i've heard it said many times.

Nice ad hominem though.

Douche bag. :)

PS: Thanks for comparing me to a babe magnet rock star. Usually i only get that from women. But hey, in this day and age, as sienfeld would say...."Not that there's anything wrong with being gay."

And suspension. And major styling cues. Besides that, yes, very different. ;)

Look, the 911's clearly evolved from 356's, which are clearly evolved from VW beetles. It's no insult to simply state the truth. I know it really pisses 911 owners off when people compare their 911s looks to those of VW beetles, but the reason it does is because it's true. The 911, especially the earlier ones, are strongly influenced by the body shape of the Beetle.

911's are all magnificent cars, as i've stated outright many times. They're just saddled with decades old, very boring styling.

A 997's brilliance has -nothing- to do with it's styling. My issue here is solely the styling. I've been very clear about this. Any other point i brought up was only a counter to some insult tossed at the 928 by those seeking to deflect from my styling comments wrt the 911.

oh like a 928?:D

Want a list?

356 Spyder
928 GTS
968
Carerra GT

Had Porsche kept updating the Spyder as they have the 911 it would be equally brilliant, and quite frankly, a hell of a lot better looking.

A 2009 928 with 2009 power levels, refinement, and suspension would also be an absolutely tremendous world beating GT car.

I loved the 968, i felt like that was when Porsche finally got the 944 just right.

But to Porsche's credit they retired them all before they got dated or tired. Not so the 911. They grow on trees. Seeing a 911 is not an exciting moment, it's just another, "Oh, there's another 911."

See a nice 944/951, 968, 928, 356, Speedster, Carerra GT, etc, and it's a moment of excitment, "wow! That's sharp, don't see many of those any more!"

They're exclusive.

Ironic that the "lowly" 944 enjoys a level of exclusiveness now that the 911 has not had in a very long time. Everyone and their brother has a 911, and they're all damn similar in appearance.

I don't give a hoot what sniper thinks..

He says he is right and you are wrong on many threads.

He is right, you are wrong...

The 911 and its heritage are automotive legend..

I think Senor Snipe will find himself in the minority regarding the position of the 911 in automobile history... That Porsche continues to refine this timeless design...might be telling.

Do you think Porsche produces cars without any market input? They build them because they will sell a boatloads.

Funny the mentioning of the old styling.. Long hood and bulbous rear It could be a 911, 356, 928, 968. 944, even a Corvette...

Porsche is in the business of selling cars. Selling cars makes money. Porsche builds cars that people buy. People buy the 911. This is one of the dumbest threads. Ever.

There's no rules against liking or respecting more than one car. By liking/respecting another car, you don't automatically disparage the car you own. Anyone that believes their car is the best car EVER is a moron, because it's not. Unless you drive a Bugatti Veyron.

:) I'm happy to see that your ignore list is really not an ignore list!! Seriously though, who cares what the inspiration was for the 911? If it were not for Hitler Porsche may have never been.....I'm just glad Ferry did what he did. The fact that a company would try and retire a design but the paying customers wouldn't let it happen says loud and clear that this is not a tired design...... the models that have come and gone are the true tired designs.......

I've put more miles on 911s than any of you; probably owned more Porsches than any two of you put together. About 35 911s, 4 928s, 1 951, 1 930, 2 993s, 2 Boxsters... They all have their virtues and their tradeoffs.

You're arguing taste. It's pointless.

I'd kill for the new 997 SC. I'd be happy with any new Porsche. Even a Cayenne -- they are impressive to drive. But I'd probably always want a 2300lb early 911 in the stable just for the raw driving experience, and a Boxster for the unmatched top-down curve-carving.

How about an 1850# 911... that's what mine weighs wet... of course without my fat ass in the seat

1850? that's impressive as hell. What do you have powering it?

2.2L 200 hp of 6 cylinder glory... EFI, ITB, shift at 78-8200
I have another engine in the pipeline...a 2.5

A 2.5... and I have been finding some more ways to take weight out of the car

anymore pics of the 2010 SC? i think the car is fantastic (looking). way above my pay scale for sure.

funniest thread in a long while. thanks fellas.

My favorite:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1252039885.jpg

Apparently a lot of you care what sniper thinks, or i'd have made my one comment in the beginning of this thread, and that would have been it. But no, several people cared about my opinion, so i gladly engaged them in a spirited debate. I did not insult anyone personally unless it was in direct response to an insult they leveled first. It's amazing how many grown adults get so worked up over a 70 year old car shape that they can not be reasonable, or accept that not everyone drinks the 911 kool aid. There are a lot of people that DESPISE 911's. I like them, they're great cars, i just wish they'd come up with a new shape already.

As for the rest...

Yep. Porsche sold so many 911's that they had to introduce SUV's to survive.

Yep, they sold so many SUVs they had to introduce family oriented Panamera's to survive.

Yep, they sold so many 911's, Cayenne's and Panameras' that they were on the verge of bankruptcy and had to be saved by VW.

Yep...the 911, Porsche would never survive without it.

Look at the Corvette, it's a totally different looking car now than it was in 1955, it's been redesigned completely several times. They've let AWESOME body shapes like the Sting Ray and Mako Shark go when their time had come. And yet it's still around.