The bullet bubble

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by jyl

The internet/mailorder ammo dealers are pricing 50-round boxes of 9mm for $20 (S&B stuff, nothing special) to $40.

Actually, Sellior and Bellot and virtually all Euro ammunition is quite hot, much hotter than US 9mm ammo. Geco especially. All of it is loaded to at least +P levels as far as i know.

[legion]

Sellior and Bellot?

Is that where all of my brass stamped with S&B is from (some of it looks like QS&B)?

[m21sniper]

S&B is marked that way, yes.



SBA00903 9mm Para 124 LRN 50 1000 20 1148 1067 992 361 312 269 6 0 -1.1
SBA00906 9mm Para 124 SP 50 1000 20 1165 1074 991 372 316 269 6 0 -1.1
SBA00905 9mm Para 124 FMJ 50 1000 20 1181 1087 1001 382 324 275 6 0 -1
SBA00902 9mm Para 115 FMJ 50 1000 20 1280 1180 1089 421 358 304 6 0 -0.8
SBA00904 9mm Para 115 JHP 50 1000 20 1237 1136 1043 393 331 279 6 0 -0.9

As you can see, it's all +P or hotter rated stuff. The load in blue appears to be a full fledged +P+ FMJ round.

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US .32, .380 and 9mm ammo is loaded MUCH milder than typical Euro ammo. Geco .32ACP ammo, for instance, is more powerful in terms of pure muzzle energy than even .38 special. If you're carrying a .32ACP for defense Geco FMJ .32acp ammo is probably as good a choice as anything else. It won't expand, but it does punch DEEP into ballistics gelatin, over 15" of penetration even in a tiny little kel-tec P32 pocket pistol.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Actually, Sellior and Bellot and virtually all Euro ammunition is quite hot, much hotter than US 9mm ammo. Geco especially. All of it is loaded to at least +P levels as far as i know.

I just meant S&B is usually pretty cheap, its not exotic "personal defense" ammo or anything like that. I've shot a bunch of it, works nice.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Sig Sauer has a Guns for Clunkers program.

They will pay $200.00 for any trade-in toward the price of a new Sig Sauer.

Since their MAP/MSRP prices are about $200 above what you should be able to find their guns for, I don't think this is such a hot deal, unless you're trying to get rid of your Raven Arms and Lorcin junk guns. Sure, the P226 I bought this week was technically not a new gun. But I can't tell the difference between it and a new one and it was about $450 below the price of the same gun new. The CPO P220 Carry I got in November looked as new and ran me $476 out the door. SIG's new prices are pretty insane.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by jyl

I just meant S&B is usually pretty cheap, its not exotic "personal defense" ammo or anything like that. I've shot a bunch of it, works nice.

I know, just pointing out that it's actually much hotter than comparable US Ammo, even hotter than NATO "Q" 9mm ammo.

[nynor]

i have a box of nice FMJ .40SW ammunition and two loaded clips. no shortage here.

i also have a TON of ammunition for my .50 thompson-center. as g gordon liddy put it, a black powder gun will kill you DEAD!

[Schumi]

This brings up a thought-

What's the legality of reselling ammo privately (I.E. craigslist)....

There's gotta be some people with large stockpiles who could make some money right now if they were willing to sell some. of course, those kind of people are the people who are wanting to buy MORE right now, not less.....

[legion]

Originally Posted by Schumi

This brings up a thought-

What's the legality of reselling ammo privately (I.E. craigslist)....

There's gotta be some people with large stockpiles who could make some money right now if they were willing to sell some. of course, those kind of people are the people who are wanting to buy MORE right now, not less.....

Private-party sales of ammunition are perfectly legal, just ensure that you meet the requirements of the state in which the buyer resides.

For example, if you sell to me in Illinois, you are supposed to ensure that I have a valid FOID card.

Certain kinds of ammunition also have age restrictions in certain states. For example, in Illinois, one cannot purchase ammunition for a handgun unless they are 21 years of age. I love telling the clerks at Wal-Mart that I am purchasing 9mm for a rifle.

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As an aside, different stores in Illinois have different policies regarding the purchase of ammunition. If I go to the local Farm & Fleet, I can purchase ammo at any register as long as I show the clerk my FOID card.

At Wal-Mart, I have to purchase all ammo at the sporting-goods counter only, and the clerk who sells it to me must also have a FOID card. This means that I must have a clerk paged almost every time I buy ammo there. They also ask me when I purchase .22LR if it is for a rifle or handgun. I always reply that I am 21 and it doesn't matter. They also key in my FOID card number with each purchase.

[nynor]

so, the nanny-state knows what ammunition and how much you buy?!

[Schumi]

Originally Posted by legion

Certain kinds of ammunition also have age restrictions in certain states. For example, in Illinois, one cannot purchase ammunition for a handgun unless they are 21 years of age. I love telling the clerks at Wal-Mart that I am purchasing 9mm for a rifle.

I'm still waiting for a handgun chambered for 7.62x39....

[MotoSook]

AR pistol chambered in 7.62 apply as a handgun? . 7.5" barrel. There's a video out on Youtube of a guy shooting a .308 pistol.

I like how Farm and Fleet has ammo just sitting out on the shelf unattended right next to the kids bikes and balls, but Walmart has it behind a locked glass and you always have to page or hunt down an employee.

You get funny looks from people getting in line with you at Farm and Fleet when you walk up to the register with a case of ammo

Quote de legion

Certain kinds of ammunition also have age restrictions in certain states. For example, in Illinois, one cannot purchase ammunition for a handgun unless they are 21 years of age. I love telling the clerks at Wal-Mart that I am purchasing 9mm for a rifle.

I'm still waiting for a handgun chambered for 7.62x39....

[m21sniper]

By the way, if anyone is in the market for EXTREMELY hot 115gr JHP 9mm+P+ ammo i have about 50 rds of the stuff for sale.

Specs:

Buffalo Bore 115gr 9mm+P+
Bullet type: Gold Mountain match JHP
Velocity: 1400fps
Energy: 500 ft-lbs

This is pretty much as hot as 9mm ammo gets, period.

It is super accurate but the fluted chamber in my P7 hates it. The brass form-fires into the flutes and causes extraction issues. For almost any other pistol, this would not be an issue.

I'll sell the stuff for a buck a round, which is about 25% off factory prices, plus shipping.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally Posted by Schumi

I'm still waiting for a handgun chambered for 7.62x39....

Get a CZ-52. Those are chambered for 7.62x25 (Tokarev). It's a blast to shoot and a big attention-getter at the range. And they're cheap.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally Posted by Schumi

This brings up a thought-

What's the legality of reselling ammo privately (I.E. craigslist)....

There's gotta be some people with large stockpiles who could make some money right now if they were willing to sell some. of course, those kind of people are the people who are wanting to buy MORE right now, not less.....

Not in CA.

Pending legislation will restrict anyone (including private citizens) to 50 rounds per month maximum. This is in the state legislature right now, today.

[idontknow]

A little quote from www.theregister.co.uk

"Apparently, classic .45 ACP pistol ammunition is especially scarce - a fairly good indication that it is in fact conservative Middle America rather than, say, inner-city criminals buying up all the ammo"

It was so true, I had to chuckle.

[Tim Hancock]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Not in CA.

Pending legislation will restrict anyone (including private citizens) to 50 rounds per month maximum. This is in the state legislature right now, today.

I hope you are joking.... if true, one could not compete in or practice for any kind of shooting sports.

I know many Californians think it is the greatest place on earth, but I would not move there from the midwest if you gave me a free house and car to live there. Same goes for many cities on the east coast too.

I just walked in the back door of my shop after blasting off 50 9mm's and a few hundred .22's at some IDPA sillouettes........ God I love living in a rural area where I can still do WTF I want on my own d@mn property. Maybe I should hope the 50 rnd limit in CA is for real..... more ammo available for me to do WTF I want with.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Get a CZ-52. Those are chambered for 7.62x25 (Tokarev). It's a blast to shoot and a big attention-getter at the range. And they're cheap.

And they will punch clean through even the latest US military helmets with ease.

[legion]

Originally Posted by Soukus

You get funny looks from people getting in line with you at Farm and Fleet when you walk up to the register with a case of ammo

Not at my local Farm & Fleet. They just smile and say: "Howdy!".

[Porsche-O-Phile]

I apologize - I guess the 50-round limit was (finally) stripped from the bill - it had been in there for a while while the bill was being batted around the Legislature. However, the bill is still bad and the People's Republic is still very much trying their damndest to illegalize and restrict firearms however they possibly can. The provisions for criminalizing mail-order sales, fingerprinting all ammunition purchasers and forcing it to be "behind the counter" (even in gun shops) are still there. Here's the NRA update from 11-September:

Yesterday, the Senate gave final approval to Senate Bill 585 by a 21-18 vote. SB585 now heads to the desk of Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) for his consideration.

SB585 is a stepping-stone to banning gun shows on all publicly-owned property in California. Introduced by State Senator Mark Leno (D-3), SB585 would prohibit the sale of firearms and ammunition on the property or inside the buildings that comprise the Cow Palace in Daly City, just outside of San Francisco.

The Senate also passed Assembly Bill 962 yesterday by a 21-18 vote. AB962 will now return to the Assembly for concurrence.

As we reported earlier this week, AB962 was amended by the Senate in an effort to make the bill easier to pass. It remains, however, a serious threat to our rights.

The Senate removed a requirement that ammunition retailers be licensed to sell ammunition. In addition, the bill would no longer prohibit the private transfer of more than 50 rounds of ammunition during a 30 day period.

Despite these changes to the bill, AB962 is still unacceptable and represents a dire threat to our ability to exercise our Second Amendment rights. Ammunition retailers would still have to store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. The bill still requires that individuals purchasing ammunition be fingerprinted at the time of sale, mandates that dealers keep these records and make them available for inspection by the Department of Justice. Finally, mail order ammunition sales are still prohibited under AB962.

Here's the latest NRA update:

On Friday, September 11, the California Assembly passed Assembly Bill 962 by a 44-31 vote. AB962 now joins Senate Bill 585 on the desk of Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) where they await his consideration.

AB962 requires individuals purchasing ammunition be fingerprinted and registered at the time of sale, mandates that dealers keep these records and make them available for inspection by the California Department of Justice. Ammunition retailers would also have to store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. Finally, mail order ammunition sales are prohibited under AB962. Over twenty years ago, Congress abolished similar requirements because ammunition sales records were found to be useless for solving crimes. AB962 is a dire threat to our Second Amendment rights in the Golden State.

SB585 would prohibit the sale of firearms and ammunition on the property or inside the buildings that comprise the Cow Palace in Daly City, just outside of San Francisco. Simply put, SB585 is a stepping-stone to banning gun shows on all publicly-owned property in California.